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RE: Working in Japan

Postby creativity » Tue 10.10.2006 12:32 pm

T_T I can't find your WagWiki page...
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RE: Working in Japan

Postby paul_b » Tue 10.10.2006 1:23 pm

creativity wrote:
T_T I can't find your WagWiki page...

It's located at [wiki]Japanese work visas[/wiki] (although there was some server overload trouble a while back ...)

I guess somebody needs to check out [wiki]How to Link[/wiki] :D
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RE: Working in Japan

Postby keatonatron » Tue 10.10.2006 2:13 pm

I forgot how to do it and was too lazy to look it up.

And see, you provided the link for me so I never had to look it up. Who says being lazy never pays off?
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RE: Working in Japan

Postby two_heads_talking » Tue 10.10.2006 2:55 pm

Mike Cash wrote:


It isn't so much that I like throwing the cold water. But in these touchy-feely days where too many people would rather give useless advice than tell someone the facts that for their own benefit they need to be informed of...I step up and heave the bucket.

I've seen too many threads where people prattle on and on endlessly with ideas about how to facilitate a pipe dream that has a fatal flaw. I'm the guy who points it out.


THAT may be true, and I am sure I agree with you, but tact is still something that a cold bucket of water won't cure.. One can be tactful and still give good advise and facts. One cal also give worthless advice, no facts and be tactless too.. Not saying you are either, just pointing it out.. I am afraid it isn't always so black or white.. :p
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RE: Working in Japan

Postby creativity » Tue 10.10.2006 3:11 pm

Ok, I read it. Thanks for the advice, and I liked the example of a gap year for the working holiday visa ;).
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RE: Working in Japan

Postby paul_b » Tue 10.10.2006 3:12 pm

two_heads_talking wrote:
THAT may be true, and I am sure I agree with you, but tact is still something that a cold bucket of water won't cure.. One can be tactful and still give good advise and facts. One cal also give worthless advice, no facts and be tactless too.. Not saying you are either, just pointing it out.. I am afraid it isn't always so black or white.. :p

Sheesh, you just _had_ to put the smiley there. That's 225 pixels of .gif that isn't going to be winning you any friends.
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RE: Working in Japan

Postby Mike Cash » Wed 10.11.2006 10:32 am

two_heads_talking wrote:
Mike Cash wrote:


It isn't so much that I like throwing the cold water. But in these touchy-feely days where too many people would rather give useless advice than tell someone the facts that for their own benefit they need to be informed of...I step up and heave the bucket.

I've seen too many threads where people prattle on and on endlessly with ideas about how to facilitate a pipe dream that has a fatal flaw. I'm the guy who points it out.


THAT may be true, and I am sure I agree with you, but tact is still something that a cold bucket of water won't cure.. One can be tactful and still give good advise and facts. One cal also give worthless advice, no facts and be tactless too.. Not saying you are either, just pointing it out.. I am afraid it isn't always so black or white.. :p


I see nothing untactful about the advice I presented. Perhaps you will do me the kindness of pointing out specifically where I was lacking.

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Sheesh, you just _had_ to put the smiley there. That's 225 pixels of .gif that isn't going to be winning you any friends.


Smiley? What smiley?

Just for future reference.....anyone including a smiley in a post directed at me can save themselves the time and effort of including the blasted juvenile things because I have them blocked and do not see them.
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RE: Working in Japan

Postby suhui » Wed 10.11.2006 10:57 am

A degree in practically anything


Hmm so degree means a lot in Japan is it? What abuot those people with only vocational schools qualification? Sound so similar like over here in singapore.. :o
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RE: Working in Japan

Postby Mike Cash » Wed 10.11.2006 11:14 am

suhui wrote:
A degree in practically anything


Hmm so degree means a lot in Japan is it? What abuot those people with only vocational schools qualification?


Context is everything.

For foreigners, the degree is more a requirement from Immigration than it is from employers. For foreigners with only a vocational school qualification, they (generally) don't pass muster with Immigration and can't get a visa.

For Japanese, who don't need any special permission to be in and work in their own country, it is an entirely different question.
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RE: Working in Japan

Postby two_heads_talking » Wed 10.11.2006 11:36 am

Mike Cash wrote:
two_heads_talking wrote:
THAT may be true, and I am sure I agree with you, but tact is still something that a cold bucket of water won't cure.. One can be tactful and still give good advise and facts. One cal also give worthless advice, no facts and be tactless too.. Not saying you are either, just pointing it out.. I am afraid it isn't always so black or white.. :p


I see nothing untactful about the advice I presented. Perhaps you will do me the kindness of pointing out specifically where I was lacking.


The specifics of tact were not directed at you. I was merely making an analogy and using your example of cold water in it.. I am not sure why you thought that part of it directed at you.. I am blunt enough, that if I want to make a direct point, I will save the forums and post it in a PM.. notice that last two sentences of my last remark.. and you will see I even stated "not saying you are either......... " (here goes the smileys.. if you have them blocked, it's your loss.. ) :o :p :o :D :o :p :o
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RE: Working in Japan

Postby Mike Cash » Wed 10.11.2006 12:31 pm

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RE: Working in Japan

Postby Harisenbon » Wed 10.11.2006 7:49 pm

Mike Cash wrote:
For foreigners, the degree is more a requirement from Immigration than it is from employers. For foreigners with only a vocational school qualification, they (generally) don't pass muster with Immigration and can't get a visa.


I just want to add to this that if you don't mind working in a factory for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week for minimum wage, a university degree (or japanese skill) is not always necessary.

However, since I don't have any foreign friends who came over here to work here in factories (most have lived here since they were children), I can't verify the process.
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RE: Working in Japan

Postby Mike Cash » Thu 10.12.2006 8:47 am

Harisenbon wrote:
Mike Cash wrote:
For foreigners, the degree is more a requirement from Immigration than it is from employers. For foreigners with only a vocational school qualification, they (generally) don't pass muster with Immigration and can't get a visa.


I just want to add to this that if you don't mind working in a factory for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week for minimum wage, a university degree (or japanese skill) is not always necessary.

However, since I don't have any foreign friends who came over here to work here in factories (most have lived here since they were children), I can't verify the process.


Generally, you have to be of Japanese ancestry or have a Japanese spouse.

I don't have a college degree. But I do have a Japanese spouse. Otherwise, I would not be allowed to do the sort of work that I do.....or to remain here, for that matter.
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RE: Working in Japan

Postby suhui » Thu 10.12.2006 11:08 am

Generally, you have to be of Japanese ancestry or have a Japanese spouse.

I don't have a college degree. But I do have a Japanese spouse. Otherwise, I would not be allowed to do the sort of work that I do.....or to remain here, for that matter.


Wow then does that mean I need to marry Japanese national to live there? Will they consider whether the foreigner is Japanized enough to marry the Japanese national? Will they raise objection to their marriage?
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RE: Working in Japan

Postby Mike Cash » Thu 10.12.2006 11:26 am

suhui wrote:
Generally, you have to be of Japanese ancestry or have a Japanese spouse.

I don't have a college degree. But I do have a Japanese spouse. Otherwise, I would not be allowed to do the sort of work that I do.....or to remain here, for that matter.


Wow then does that mean I need to marry Japanese national to live there?


No.

Will they consider whether the foreigner is Japanized enough to marry the Japanese national? Will they raise objection to their marriage?


Japan isn't that much a draconian socialist nation.

We're even allowed to have chewing gum.
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