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Postby burstandbloom » Tue 12.05.2006 6:48 pm

Has anybody ever seen this website?
hxxp://www.how-to-bow.com

It's a pretty interesting approach to teaching you how to bow, and other customs.

So to ask a question, has anybody here ran into problems with not "properly bowing",
awkward exchanges? Is it something that happens a lot, or not such a big deal?
Would you say it's something important to look into, or just learn along the way when you're there?
Hopefully I put this thread in the right place.
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RE: How To Bow

Postby Kagemaru » Tue 12.05.2006 7:19 pm

I was unable to open that link, pardon me.

burstandbloom wrote:
has anybody here ran into problems with not "properly bowing"


Yes I have.

I eventually needed to take a 1 day course in business card - 名刺 giving/receiving
due largely to upteen embarrassing moments.

I'm very happy I took that course. Invaluable.

burstandbloom wrote:
Is it something that happens a lot, or not such a big deal?


This one, I feel depends on your knowledge of Japanese as a language and culture. There are certain things Japanese in general do not expect foreigners to know although, I work with a Turkish gentleman, who speaks Japanese very well and more is expected of him than I when it comes to customary applications. Likewise, in situations where I am the stronger speaker in a group, more is expected of me than others, so on and so forth.

burstandbloom wrote:
Would you say it's something important to look into, or just learn along the way when you're there?


While you're here is my two cents worth.
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RE: How To Bow

Postby paul_b » Tue 12.05.2006 7:21 pm

Kagemaru wrote:
I was unable to open that link, pardon me.

I'm not surprised. What the heck is hxxp:// supposed to be?
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RE: How To Bow

Postby Takeo Saeki » Tue 12.05.2006 7:30 pm

LOL I didn't even notice that it was "hxxp://" before I clicked on it. I was wondering why it wasn't working.
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RE: How To Bow

Postby chikara » Tue 12.05.2006 7:52 pm

paul_b wrote:
I'm not surprised. What the heck is hxxp:// supposed to be?

It's a new internet protocol, HyperXeroxXylophoneProtocol.
Rather than having to code pages in HTML you simply photocopy them and they are converted into music. ;)

Try how-to-bow
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RE: How To Bow

Postby Takeo Saeki » Tue 12.05.2006 7:55 pm

Ah, I never heard of that. I thought it was a mistake by burstandbloom. I guess my browser can't recognize it.
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RE: How To Bow

Postby chikara » Tue 12.05.2006 7:59 pm

Marxism Is The Future wrote:
Ah, I never heard of that. I thought it was a mistake by burstandbloom. I guess my browser can't recognize it.

:o :o

You need to have a sound card that supports HXXP to get the full effect.
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RE: How To Bow

Postby Kagemaru » Tue 12.05.2006 8:18 pm

http://www.how-to-bow.com/

I believe this may be the link.

Looking at it though is not at all like the course I took.

Small example, in the business card section you see two gentleman exchanging cards at different intervals, not speaking very business like, and not bowing according to rank or situation.

The course I took explains that:

Exchanges are done simultaneously, give with the right, receive with the left. In situations of higher ranking staff, during the exchange, the lower ranked must pass the card under/lower than the higher rank.

Becomes a headache when meeting three or four people of different rank simultaneously, holding all their cards in ranking order and addressing each accordingly.
Of course, all the terms and greetings to use too during this exercise.

Hehe, this is only the beginning, you haven't even sat down with them yet...

Seriously, as silly as it sounds, I really needed a full 6 hour day course to nail all the protocol.
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RE: How To Bow

Postby chikara » Tue 12.05.2006 8:39 pm

Kagemaru wrote:
http://www.how-to-bow.com/

I believe this may be the link.
....

déjà vu ;)
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RE: How To Bow

Postby tanuki » Tue 12.05.2006 8:43 pm

@Kagemaru: Ah, so you really like to socializes.
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RE: How To Bow

Postby ashitaka » Tue 12.05.2006 8:48 pm

Hehe, this is only the beginning, you haven't even sat down with them yet...

Seriously, as silly as it sounds, I really needed a full 6 hour day course to nail all the protocol.

I challenge you to a bowing duel!
I do a 95 minute bowing lecture/demonstration after two months in my class.
Becomes a headache when meeting three or four people of different rank simultaneously, holding all their cards in ranking order and addressing each accordingly.

Thats what we like to call "Welcome to Hell"......try a buisness meeting with various ranks, where each "boss" brings 1-3 lower people with him, each with various ranks.
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RE: How To Bow

Postby burstandbloom » Tue 12.05.2006 8:53 pm

paul_b wrote:
Kagemaru wrote:
I was unable to open that link, pardon me.

I'm not surprised. What the heck is hxxp:// supposed to be?



Heh, I'm sorry about that. It's an old habit from another forum I used, you weren't allowed to post links out. If you click that it won't open up the page (obviously) but all you have to do now is change the 'xx'. I dunno, just something they did.

The thing about the site I don't like now, is it appears that you have to pay to watch the full/all the lessons. It wasn't like that before, but you can't hold it against somebody for trying to make money off of it.

Kagemaru wrote:
Small example, in the business card section you see two gentleman exchanging cards at different intervals, not speaking very business like, and not bowing according to rank or situation.


I think it explains that on the side? It explains about handing cards according to rank I believe. I also think it's a basic tutorial on how to do things accordingly in the situation, I can't imagine them speaking very business like(in the videos). That would be pretty advanced, no?
I'm sure it's more aimed at people like me. :)
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RE: How To Bow

Postby Mike Cash » Wed 12.06.2006 5:30 am

I recall a student from many years ago, a university professor who was in his 50s. It was his turn to serve as the 会長 for his 町内会 and there had been a death in the neighborhood. Consequently, he had to attend both the wake and the funeral and serve as a sort of official greeter, doing a double bow to people as they arrived and as they left.

Being a scientist by trade, and perhaps just to pass the time, he counted the number of times he bowed. I forget the exact number, but it was in excess of 900 times.

He said his back was absolutely killing him.
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RE: How To Bow

Postby Kagemaru » Wed 12.06.2006 8:07 am

ashitaka wrote:
Kagemaru wrote:
Becomes a headache when meeting three or four people of different rank simultaneously, holding all their cards in ranking order and addressing each accordingly.

Thats what we like to call "Welcome to Hell"......try a buisness meeting with various ranks, where each "boss" brings 1-3 lower people with him, each with various ranks.


Have I missed something? :)
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RE: How To Bow

Postby Mike Cash » Wed 12.06.2006 8:17 am

ashitaka wrote:

Thats what we like to call "Welcome to Hell"......try a buisness meeting with various ranks, where each "boss" brings 1-3 lower people with him, each with various ranks.



That's one of the things I love about my company (and the industry in general). We don't worry overly much about all that stuff. My boss was just plain old 田村さん to us when he was 田村課長. He was just plain old 田村さん to us when he was 田村部長. And he's still just plain old 田村さん to us now that he's 田村常務. There are only about 3 or 4 people that get addressed by their title at all.
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