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Crime in Japan

Postby Hatori » Sat 08.25.2007 6:20 pm

Hello. As I was watching a fun television show my best friend specifically recorded for me, it was all about Japan and mentioned crime rate. It said that Osaka had the highest crime rate and it is NOTHING in comparison to what America has.
I was just wondering what are some different laws that they have in Japan that may not be in America and I just never hear anything about prisons in Japan. I know there are prisons and a police force in Japan... But you never hear anything about it.
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RE: Crime in Japan

Postby lemonaid » Sat 08.25.2007 6:45 pm

Here you'll find the statistics you're looking for. It's not all black and white of course, but per capita you'll find the U.S. on the 8th place while Japan is on 34th. On first place is Dominica with 113.822 crimes per 1,000 people.

http://www.nationmaster.com/cat/Crime-crime

Tell me, are you out "shopping" for countries? I noticed your other threads as well.
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RE: Crime in Japan

Postby caroline » Sun 08.26.2007 5:02 am

Quite recently, 3 death row inmates were hanged in Japan - the information was in one of the french papers day before yesterday, so it's far from being a secret

As a very partial answer to the OP question "do they have prisons"?
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RE: Crime in Japan

Postby Infidel » Sun 08.26.2007 5:37 am

It's a complex issue, not as simple as the statistics appear.

First, there are many differences in the definitions of crime and types of crime. A misdemeanor in one country might be a more serious crime in another, or a violent crime in one country might not be considered violent in another.

Then, there is a distinct difference in desire of reporting crime. For example, In the U.S when people want to report a crime or a something very suspicious, the policeman dutifully records it in case it becomes important later. In Japan, officers avoid this task because the more crimes reported, the worse the crime statistic of their city gets and it is considered to make their department look bad. So they generally blow off anything but the most serious cases. I've even read an article about a Japanese lady complaining about being raped by 3 guys and the officer still didn't want to file a crime report and blew her off saying, "The boys were just being boys." The lady said she would never trust the police again. I also read an article about some vandalism and the officer gave the same answer to the person attempting to report it. Many other people that have dealt with the police and received a similar response are then less likely to report crime thus skewing the statistic even more. I wish I had bookmarked that article. So the statistic is also based on false information.

That said, I'm sure there is less crime in Japan if for no other reason than because in the U.S. people are more likely to think they can outsmart the cops where in Japan there are seen as more competent--once they decide to bother. So in Japan, there is a greater incidence of people committing crimes, then turning themselves in, either because they expect to be caught anyway, or they are more willing to accept the consequences of their actions. Americans are more likely to believe they can successfully evade the police and there is a large culture based on avoiding responsibility for one's actions--"He made me do it," etc..
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RE: Crime in Japan

Postby Mike Cash » Sun 08.26.2007 7:27 am

Collating some old but relevant posts I have made elsewhere:

A very important thing to keep in mind when perusing MoJ/NPA white papers on crime is that the statistics are, to a degree, bogus.

The case clearance (prosecution) rates for at least some crimes are falsified and inflated at the local police department level by attaching uncleared cases which are about to bump up against the statute of limitations onto suspects being prosecuted for unrelated crimes.

A chit is sent up the *police* chain of command showing that a certain case was "cleared", while relevant documents and evidence are never sent to the prosecutor (because they don't exist). No attempt is ever made to reconcile the number of cases police report as cleared with the number of cases prosecutors report as prosecuted. To do so would destroy the thin veil surrounding the polite fiction which substitutes for efficient and effective police work in Japan.


a facetious post
Japanese don't break laws. Japanese are honest. The only reason Japan
had a police force (until all the gaijin showed up) was to give
directions and direct traffic. One million gaijin are the sole reason
Japan needs 220,000 police. With a ratio like that, they should give
up patrolling and just assign them to us like parole officers.


I would be very circumspect regarding larceny clearance rates, Cousin.
The police bureaucracy demands that detectives clear between 30 and 40
percent of cases, and the detectives have a very creative method of
achieving those goals.

When they have someone in custody whom they are about to send to the
prosecutor for larceny, they go through their backlog of higaitodoke
and search out ones with similar modus operandi which are about to
become unprosecutable due to the statute of limitations. When they
write up the paper which *reports* sending a case to the prosecutor
(not the actual papers which go to the prosecutor) they also write up
those old cases on the same suspect. They then send the papers to the
prosecutor *only* for the case they originally apprehended him for.
Nothing is sent regarding the old cases (since there is no evidence,
no investigation, no nothing anyway). The clearance rates are based on
the report chits the detectives send up through the police
bureaucracy, not on the number of cases actually and truly sent to the
prosecutors. The higaitodoke are stacked and bundled together, with
each bundle having in the front a sort of index of the cases contained
therein. When cases are actually sent for prosecution, the cases are
supposed to be crossed out. In actuality, only about 10% are crossed
out (actually "cleared", in other words). The 30% figure is Fantasy
Land book cooking.

My source for this was 赤木警部補、広島県警を斬る, published by
第三書館 ISBN4-8074-0015-0 published Nov. 2000.

Akagi retired from the Hiroshima Police after about 40 years on the
job. He says that you may safely disregard the numbers put out in the
MoJ White Paper.


I doubt that they pay for the damage. I don't think the suspect even
knows that this process is happening. It is strictly an internal
police memo. The cases falsely reported as being cleared are all old
時効寸前 ones that the victims long ago gave up on ever being solved.
Of course, they aren't notified about it because the case hasn't
actually been cleared and nobody is actually going to be prosecuted
for it. It is strictly a device used to make the clearance rates look
better.

>:Akagi retired from the Hiroshima Police after about 40 years on the
>:job. He says that you may safely disregard the numbers put out in the
>:MoJ White Paper.

>Do you know even that clearance rate is rapidly decreasing in last ten
>years? IIRC, it fell from over 50 % to 30 %, or something similar.

They're probably trying to gradually approach some more realistic
numbers. I just tried scanning the chapter which contains all this,
but I every setting I tried looked like it would result in eyestrain
for the reader. Anyway, I've just gotten the book out again. Here is
the subtitle for the section dealing with this:

窃盗犯検挙件数のデタラメ水増しはアタリマエ

with a further sub-subtitle of:

ドロボーを捕まえられなくなった日本の警察

I'll include some excerpts from the chapter:

たしかに公浮ウれた数字では、日本の警察によるドロボー (窃盗犯)の検挙率は
近年下がったとはいえ、まだ外国より高い。
ところが、この検挙率そのものが、日本中の警察署でインチキな数字操作によって
作り出されたものなのである。このことは警察署の中でも知る人ぞ知る 「基本的
なデタラメ」の一つなのだ。

subtitle: 時効になる前に、だれかの余罪にして、事件は「解決」してしまう

時効寸前の窃盗事件がいくつもある。これらの全てではないが、実際は検挙しても
いないのに犯人が未検挙になることを見越して、あたかもその事件が解決したかの
ような検挙票を作成する、という操作を警察署の中で行う。こうして見せかけの
検挙率を上げるインチキを、日常的にやっているのだ。

...本当は事件は何の解決していないのに.....本人も知らないうちに余罪をいくつ
もかぶせられて、書類上だけ検挙されたことになり、検挙率は上がっていく。

一人の犯人に未解決の事件を三つかぶせてしまうと、合計四つの事件が解決したこと
になる。10件の窃盗事件のうち1件しか解決していなくても4件解決したことに
なり、検挙率40%達成できるわけだ。

next subtitle: ウモナ固めた犯罪統計を広島県警本部が見て見ぬふり

考えてみてください。窃盗事件が四純pーセントも五純pーセントも検挙されるはず
がない。皆さんのまわりでも、泥棒の被害にあった時、自転車やバイクが盗まれた場合
の10件に4件、5件に2件が犯人がつかまって解決していますか?本当の数字を
出したなら、とても二純pーセントも検挙していないのではないかと思う。

私も正確な数字は統計をとっていないので分からないが、広島県下の各警察署の刑事課
に保管してある盗難届が綴ってある分厚い簿冊は、いつまで経っても分厚いまま
残っている。

検挙したならば、被害届等の関係書類は検察庁へ送致するため抜き取り、目次を赤線
で消して、検挙した被疑者の氏名を記載するようになっている。目次を見ても、この
ようになっているのは、ほんの僅かでしかないのが、現実である。とても四純pーセント
という数字ではない。

窃盗犯については、検挙率の他に、逮捕人員も年間のノルマとして各警察署に課せらる。
驚くなかれ、この逮捕人員も各警察署でゴマ化すのである。

万引犯人等についても、逮捕せず任意で処理したにもかかわらず、現行犯逮捕したように
警察本部の捜査第三課に書面で逮捕報告する。さすがに留置したようにはせず、逮捕
して釈放したように細工をする。こうして逮捕者の数のノルマを達成したように見せかけ
ていく。実績を上げるためには手段を選ばない、まったくデタラメなやり方がまかり
通っている。

Take those White Paper figures with a grain of salt.


There is really very, very little point in people discussing crime statistics in Japan because the numbers are juggled/falsified at the local level to begin with. The high muckety-mucks don't have to falsify or spin the statistics; they've implemented a system that assures that gets done for them by others.
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RE: Crime in Japan

Postby Mike Cash » Mon 08.27.2007 8:56 am

Jeebus, I killed the thread!
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RE: Crime in Japan

Postby two_heads_talking » Mon 08.27.2007 9:28 am

wall of text crits the thread for 1bazillion damage. thread dies.
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RE: Crime in Japan

Postby Mike Cash » Mon 08.27.2007 9:57 am

Was wall of text what done it?

I thought it was the old facts-kill-enthusiasm-for-conjecture thingy.
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RE: Crime in Japan

Postby Infidel » Mon 08.27.2007 10:48 am

Naa, Fear Wall of Text.
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RE: Crime in Japan

Postby HatakeSage » Mon 08.27.2007 11:17 am

Interesting, i have always wondered bout' this too.
But how come american papers have nothing on the subject of crimes there? They are only interested in europe. :|
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RE: Crime in Japan

Postby two_heads_talking » Mon 08.27.2007 11:28 am

Mike Cash wrote:
Was wall of text what done it?

I thought it was the old facts-kill-enthusiasm-for-conjecture thingy.


you are right. I was just glomming on the "MMORPG" terms that our younger folk here would better understand. lol.

facts do kill conjecture. it's odd that way.
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RE: Crime in Japan

Postby AJBryant » Mon 08.27.2007 12:43 pm

Facts don't ALWAYS kill conjecture, or there would be no lunatic "9/11 Truthers" out there.

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RE: Crime in Japan

Postby Infidel » Mon 08.27.2007 1:30 pm

Tony is just trying to cover up the truth again!
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RE: Crime in Japan

Postby two_heads_talking » Mon 08.27.2007 4:44 pm

AJBryant wrote:
Facts don't ALWAYS kill conjecture, or there would be no lunatic "9/11 Truthers" out there.

Tony


well, there is never a lack of individuals that refuse to listen to truth. so, you are correct. but for those of us who actually use their brains, facts tend to kill conjecture. doh/!!
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RE: Crime in Japan

Postby Mike Cash » Mon 08.27.2007 5:13 pm

Just to clarify.....

I didn't write "facts kill conjecture" (I ain't that naive).

I wrote "facts kill enthusiasm for conjecture".
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