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RE: Porn is bad, mmkay.

Postby Rypervenche » Wed 10.24.2007 10:04 pm

bombush wrote:
I would like to look at it from the other side. Everyone has some sexual desires - especially in adolescence. Now we have here an adolescent guy who desperately needs to blow some steam off. He has no girlfriend at the time. Now he is faced with two options: find a girlfriend or spend few "happy" moment with some porn. Which would be better to choose? In my personal opinion it is much better to "use" the porn than to look for a girl just because he has a hormonal surge. Maybe I'm a little out of this world but I believe that a guy should get a girl because he likes her character, they have a lot in common or so. Trying to start a relationship just to satisfy your sexual needs is in my opinion a lot of wasted time and effort which can ultimately result in a lot of pain for the girl (of course if she doesn't feel the same, which I believe isn't much often).
Well. That can be one reason why porn isn't so bad. Another thing are people with various sexual deviations who can use some kind of hentai to blunt their desires.

Since when is porn necessary to satisfy an urge? Yeah it may add excitement, but seriously....I won't pretend to know what it's like though. I, like most guys out there was a porn watcher for...a long time, but now I'm free of it and I enjoy it much more.

I advise every guy out there to try to cut the habit while you still can, it can lead to many problems in your life.

But I definitely have to agree that most of the porn production is just disgusting. I mean - the actors sometimes look more like robots than people. Not to mention the slave/master kind of relationship which can often be observed.

Exactly. Vive les real relationships.
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RE: Porn is bad, mmkay.

Postby Kisshu » Wed 10.24.2007 11:29 pm

Wakannai wrote:
HeyItsMatt wrote:

your title is a bit misleading then.


But tell me it's not a catchy title :)

ok, just being male does not make someone an addict to porn. And you can call me alier all you want, but it still won't ring true. I have no need for it..never had, never will.


Are you trying to say the stereotype is wrong? Stereotypes are always correct. I thought everyone knew that.


Lawl. It's like your title. YOU DON"T UNDERSTAND. Lol. Stereotypes are generalizations. Perhaps most guys watch/have watched porn. THAT DOES NOT MEAN ALL. Geez laweez.

Porn IS bad and it degrades woman. It disgusts me when I see an add on a website, or even a sexually suggestive commercial. I'm sure everyone is tempted one way or another, but that doesn't mean every person out there follows their temptaions O______________O

Come on men! (and maybe women?) RESIST PORN!
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RE: Porn is bad, mmkay.

Postby Wakannai » Thu 10.25.2007 2:20 am

Lawl.


Maybe I should have stopped here. That one word alone tells me a lot about how much effort you put into thinking before you started typing.

Porn IS bad and it degrades woman.


Holy stereotype batman. How do pictures of naked guys degrade women? You do realize that not all porn is about women don't you? I love how you condescend a stereotype with another.

Heck, even if all porn concerned women, saying that it is bad and degrades women is a stereotype.

I assure you, I understand a lot more than you believe.

Perhaps most guys watch/have watched porn.THAT DOES NOT MEAN ALL.


It is pretty much impossible in today's age NOT to have seen porn. National Geographic has porn. Turn on the TV and there is a naked toddler running on the TV as a diaper commercial. Most R rated movies have nudity. Even PG movies creatively depict people having sex. Little Mermaid had a Penis on the VHS cover. There was an anatomically correct C3PO trading card. The SEARS catalog has porn. Museums have statues of naked people. TLC shows pictures of statues and paintings of naked people. And of course, porn shows up all over the internet even if you are not looking for it and use some kind of nanny program on your computer.

You can say it disgusts you; But, anyone with internet access, and thus living in a country sufficiently technologically advanced to provide it is surrounded by it. Thus, anyone with internet access that claims to NEVER have seen porn is a liar.

Besides, making a generalization "Porn IS bad and it degrades woman. " without doing the proper research is nothing but willful ignorance. How much porn have examined to justify this view? You might as well claim that all movies are scary and involve guys in masks chasing clumsy girls around and hacking them to pieces and your assertion would be equally valid.

Claiming that Porn degrades anyone is founded on the concept that sex is something to be ashamed of. These who view sex as a healthy expression of human behavior will disagree.

On the flip side of the coin, what if the guy had no access to porn? How would that have worked? Would he have gone completley insane and done something worse? Would he have made good use of his imagination and imagine perhaps more perverted scenarios? IS that what he was doing anyway? No one really knows.


He lived in Japan, ergo he had access to porn. Thus the question is moot. Again, anyone living in a technologically advanced country that does not take extreme steps to segregate themselves from the rest of society, like the Amish, is exposed to porn. Even the Amish get to see porn when they walk into a public restroom and read the walls, so not even they are safe. Anyone that claims to never have seen porn is in denial.
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RE: Porn is bad, mmkay.

Postby bombush » Thu 10.25.2007 3:26 am

Rypervenche wrote:
Since when is porn necessary to satisfy an urge? Yeah it may add excitement, but seriously....I won't pretend to know what it's like though. I, like most guys out there was a porn watcher for...a long time, but now I'm free of it and I enjoy it much more.

You've got a strong point here.
I reread my post and realized that I basically wrote that porn is the only option. Of course it isn't. We still have fantasy. But well, porn is for many guys something like a fantasy halfway to materialization. If it is more excitement the guys seek, let's let them have it. Better than let them become a girlhunter like in some teenager comedy.
As for the deviants: the extra excitement might be what can stop their urge from making them roam the streets selecting their next target.
I'm glad that you are free of porn so you can enjoy the real world to the fullest. But I guess not everyone has the strength or people around.

Porn degrades women?
I guess it does in a way. For a youngster to watch a lot of porn (not the artistic nudity) and develop an opinion that it's okay to call the woman "b*tch", that he is the master and she the slave, might be considered degrading women. That is where the opinion may come from. On the other hand it depends on person and his moral values (which are based more on the family he came from. A person coming from a dysfunctional or strictly patriarchal family might consider it normal even without having watched any porn in his entire life) if he accepts this kind of relationship and tries to recreate it in the real world, or if he rejects it.
But you might also say that it degrades men into unthinking sex-machines. On way or the another we might agree that it degrades the porn actors of both genders - at least in our eyes.

I don't think that porn, like a lot of things, is a priori bad or good. It just is and it depends on the person what impact it will have on his life.
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RE: Porn is bad, mmkay.

Postby Feba » Thu 10.25.2007 5:00 am

I have to say, I love the people that are complaining about porn degrading women.

Seriously, yes, maybe some. There's also plenty of porn out there degrading males. It might not be the kind your stereotypical guy buys, but it's definitely out there.

There's different things for everyone. There's fat porn, and there's porn of chicks some people would consider ugly. It's all perspective.

Saying that porn is only made for males to insult women is just plain silly.
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RE: Porn is bad, mmkay.

Postby Shirasagi » Thu 10.25.2007 10:31 am

Rypervenche wrote:
Since when is porn necessary to satisfy an urge?


You're 22. Wait a while.
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RE: Porn is bad, mmkay.

Postby two_heads_talking » Thu 10.25.2007 11:50 am

this thread is misleading. the title should read... PRON is badd mmonkey.. !!
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RE: Porn is bad, mmkay.

Postby Wakannai » Thu 10.25.2007 11:13 pm

heheheh

You are extra funny today TH.
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RE: Porn is bad, mmkay.

Postby Igirisu_gaz » Thu 10.25.2007 11:14 pm

Wakannai wrote:

On the flip side of the coin, what if the guy had no access to porn? How would that have worked? Would he have gone completley insane and done something worse? Would he have made good use of his imagination and imagine perhaps more perverted scenarios? IS that what he was doing anyway? No one really knows.


He lived in Japan, ergo he had access to porn. Thus the question is moot. Again, anyone living in a technologically advanced country that does not take extreme steps to segregate themselves from the rest of society, like the Amish, is exposed to porn. .


It was a hypothetical question, whether or not he had the ability to access porn is pretty much irrelevant because, as you pointed out, he lives in Japan where it is widely available. I was thinking of alternate scenarios to illustrate the point that placing the blame solely on porn for this isn't more than a wild stab in the dark.


The question of whether or not one approves or disapproves of Porn is something of a moot point when discussing this case, we seem to have two discussions taking place. One concerning a man who harassed a lady in public. And another discussing the merits and demerits or porn. It's somewhat presumptious to just tie the two together in my opinion
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RE: Porn is bad, mmkay.

Postby HeyItsMatt » Thu 10.25.2007 11:27 pm

Yeah, I still don't understand what that story had to do with pornography. What with all the knee-jerk, partly right but partly wrong generalizations about porn and porn viewers, I almost feel like I should play the devil's advocate and put out a passionate pro-porn plea. Yay for alliteration!
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RE: Porn is bad, mmkay.

Postby spin13 » Fri 10.26.2007 3:16 am

Rypervenche wrote:
I agree with Wakannai and two_heads_talking, while I have for a good part of my life watched porn, I have stopped, thanks to the views of my girlfriend, and at first it was hard, but now I couldn't be happier. Porn IS a bad thing, in my opinion. It degrades women, makes a lot of men think that this is the way women should be treated and the way sex should be performed, and they do not respect women because of it.


Actually, you know what makes me respect women? Them not pushing their views on me.

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Finally, an intelligent guy!! I don't see the point in that kind of stuff. (I can't speak from experience, though, I've never seen one.) I wish guys would stop watching chicks who are as skinny as sticks doing gross things and just get a real woman


If you can convince my girlfriend to do some of those "gross things" then maybe I wouldn't want to watch porn.

But you know what's better than watching porn? Watching porn with girls, particularly the ones with whom you're currently sleeping with.

And even better than that? Going to strip clubs with girls. There's just nothing else quite like a girl trying to work her way through college/daddy issues by rubbing their naughty bits on an ecstatic girl. And then taking pictures.

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RE: Porn is bad, mmkay.

Postby Wakannai » Fri 10.26.2007 3:34 am

That seems a bit overly descriptive.....
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RE: Porn is bad, mmkay.

Postby prep_girl_Nessa » Fri 10.26.2007 3:57 am

spin13 wrote:
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If your girlfriend felt comfortable with her body, she would probably do some of those things with you that you seem to like so much.

You know why she probably isn't comfortable? Because her boyfriend's addicted to porn, and probably wants her to have a perfect body that simply isn't attainable when you factor in real life.

Maybe if you stopped watching porn and started treating your girlfriend with respect she would want to do more things with you.

PS - I edited this post about 100 times before I posted it, this is the nicest way I could come up with to explain what I wanted to. Your lucky I don't like being terribly mean online. Message me if you want to know what I really think. xP
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RE: Porn is bad, mmkay.

Postby Yudan Taiteki » Fri 10.26.2007 9:07 am

Couples watching porn together is not that unusual.

And for many people, I think, pornography satisfies a different type of desire than a real woman does -- it's not just "watch porn because you can't find a real woman". It's the same reason married people still masturbate on occasion.

(As loath as I am to contribute to this trainwreck of a thread, I wanted to at least put that in.)
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RE: Porn is bad, mmkay.

Postby saraLynne » Fri 10.26.2007 9:40 am

Even Yudan stepped into this thread... wow! Anyway....

Fantasies are fantasies, whether you watch porn or not, you have them. Every time you think a guy is hot, you have objectified him and made some decision that you wouldn't mind uh... seeing more of them. Probably after getting to know him, of course, but the sexual interest is present.

I don't know a single woman who looks at a hot guy and says, "Hmm, I bet he'd satisfy my emotional needs."

Molestation and rape has been around for as long as we have written history. There are even accounts of it in the Bible. What porn did they watch? You can't blame the medium just because it's convenient. Perverts exist anyway. A guy doesn't have to see it on TV to decide he wants to fondle some woman's breast. He's just a pig and a jerk.
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