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For beginners-Some little tips for studying Japanese

Have a textbook or grammar book that you find particularly helpful? What about a learning tip to share with others?

RE: For beginners-Some little tips for studying Japanese

Postby everdream » Mon 12.31.2007 9:01 pm

All the books are seperate, however, amazon isn't the best place to buy these, price wise.
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'Know thyself?' If I knew myself, I'd run away. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

I went on a diet, swore off drinking and heavy eating, and in fourteen days I had lost exactly two weeks.
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RE: For beginners-Some little tips for studying Japanese

Postby SerpentPanda » Mon 12.31.2007 9:15 pm

Ah.

Now I'm worried about the level range. (I just have too many questions.) I'm looking at the level boxes and one is red while three more are pink. I look at the difficulty number and it says 1, beginner.

I read the recommendations for level 1 and I'm past that. I'd say I'm level 3. I inferred that the red box meant you must be at least at 1, and the pink meant it was 1-4. But I'm not really sure on that.
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RE: For beginners-Some little tips for studying Japanese

Postby everdream » Mon 12.31.2007 9:20 pm

Hmm, well, try and look for a Genki Chapter list on the net (I tried, but to little avail)
If it has loads of stuff you don't know in, start with that.
Basically though, from what I can remember, genki one covers:
Verb conjugation
adjective conjugation
saying something is more X than something else
kara (both as because and from)
Basic sentance patterns,
particals

And that's all I cna remember.
We grow too soon old and too late smart. - Steve Wright

'Know thyself?' If I knew myself, I'd run away. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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RE: For beginners-Some little tips for studying Japanese

Postby Groccoli » Mon 12.31.2007 9:22 pm

Mike Cash wrote:
My eyes overflow with tears of joy at encountering an American youth who uses punctuation, can spell, knows where the shift key is, and writes in complete sentences.

On second thought, a 12 year with that great a command of English composition can't possibly be a native speaker, much less an American. Not on the internet, anyway.


<offtopic>
Hey! I'm a 15 year old native American English speaker.. Improper grammar drives me nuts.
</offtopic>

I have been wanting to get Genki I and/or II for quite a while but I haven't yet. I like the way it's arranged from the samples I've viewed. It's a bit expensive put together, but not bad considering what you get with all of it.

That was very well written SerpentPanda. I've been studying for a bit over a year but still very much a beginner. Good luck with your studies!
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RE: For beginners-Some little tips for studying Japanese

Postby SerpentPanda » Mon 12.31.2007 9:29 pm

Thank you.

It's just that I don't want to spend $50 on something that I can use for a week and be done with.

What kind of material does Genki 2 have in it?
(I'm going to search more about Genki 1 now.)
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RE: For beginners-Some little tips for studying Japanese

Postby everdream » Mon 12.31.2007 9:40 pm

Genki 2 has:
(It's a copy and paste form the PDF I have, please tell me if it's too large and I'll remove it)
~ し
~そうです(Itlookslike ...)
~てみる
なら

? 銀行で
ぎんこう
〈第14課)バレンタインデー
ほしい
~かもしれません
あげる/くれる/もらう
~たらどうですか
number+も/number盾オか+negative
? 数え方 Counters-・49
かぞかた
{ 言15課〉長野旅行 A TriptoNagano 50
ながのりょこう
VolitionalForm
~ておく
UsingSentencestoQualifyNouns
? ホテルでAttheHotel・--一一一
( M 16リ賢明L…Found ~てくれる/あげる/もらう
~ていただけませんか
~ といい

ーレ


念ふ


時比て
|炉会話文{ 13】擦LookingforaPart-timeJob-一一一-6
さ‘
Itlookslike...)
一週間に三固
いっし・うかんさんかい
翌告AttheBank一一
【第】Vale川ine'sDay
number+ ?整え寝Counters ー一一一一一一一柑
第課畏野旅ATriptoNagano
忽?ホテルでAttheHotel-・一一一一一一一一一ーー........69

L ら
羽田もか
bfもJ/ ーレ
れる一U
忘開制ゆ
‘. .,,rri切
『d るだ
一課-れたい
-一くしし
ヲ℃-ててと
?l-~~~
-第四
70



日~~
会話文法編間
~I?
ζ豆ユヱ課)ぐちとうわ雪景GrumbleandGossip 92
てから
唇妻賢慢AttheBαrber/Beαuty5αlon----一一一一一一一一一ー
III
〈〉timeJob
--〈第〉出迎134
でむか
て閉VisitingSomeone'sHouse一一ー一一一一一一一一一一一一一一153
【第17諜】ぐちとうわさZEGrumbleandb 叩
~そうです(Ihear)
~ って
~ たら
~なくてもいいです
~みたいです
~前に/~てから
?墜層/署警院で
AttheB回rber/Beロuty5ロlon-
会話文法制ωi?
ー一ーJIJ
【第18課】ジョンさんのアルバイト
John'sPart-timeJob--112
TransitivityPairs
~てしまう
~ と
~ながら
~ばよかったです
《第19課】事懇え
MeetingtheBoss J34
HonorificVerbs
GivingRespectfulAdvice
~てくれでありがとう
~てよかったです
~はずです
?欝堕する
Visiting50meone'sHouse ー一一ー…J53
巴惨もの
Extra-modestExpressions 〈第課〉メアリーさんの買物 Mary'sShopping 154 HumbleExpressions
~ ないで
QuestionswithinLargerSentences
nameというitem
~ やすい
/ ~ にくい 〈第課〉どろぼう Burglar 178
PassiveSentences
~ てある
~あ間いだに
adjective+ する
~ てほしい
( 第課〉日に本ほんの教きょう育EducationinJapan 198
いく
CausativeSentences
verbstem+ なさい
~ のに
~ のような/ ~ のように
〈23課〉閉れ Good-bye 220
Causative-passiveSentences
~ ても
~ことにする
~ まで
方枕
?|険会話文法編
【20】メアリーさんの専い甥Mary'sSh叩ping
modestExpressions
nam巴やすい/~にく【第21課】とろlまBurglar
で~ 聞に
るいだ
【22】日衰の整曹EducationinJapan
~ ば
~のような/~のように
【第23】別れGood胴bye
~ 方
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We grow too soon old and too late smart. - Steve Wright

'Know thyself?' If I knew myself, I'd run away. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

I went on a diet, swore off drinking and heavy eating, and in fourteen days I had lost exactly two weeks.
- Joe E. Lewis
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RE: For beginners-Some little tips for studying Japanese

Postby SerpentPanda » Mon 12.31.2007 9:49 pm

Something tells me I should stick with Genki I, lol.
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RE: For beginners-Some little tips for studying Japanese

Postby everdream » Mon 12.31.2007 10:00 pm

But remember, you don't have to know genki 2 stuff, that's the idea!
so long as you have a basic understanding (Like I outlined for genki 1, genki two should be right.
Also, if it's the kanji that looks daunting, the book uses furigana throughout.
Last edited by everdream on Mon 12.31.2007 10:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.
We grow too soon old and too late smart. - Steve Wright

'Know thyself?' If I knew myself, I'd run away. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

I went on a diet, swore off drinking and heavy eating, and in fourteen days I had lost exactly two weeks.
- Joe E. Lewis
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RE: For beginners-Some little tips for studying Japanese

Postby skrhgh3b » Mon 12.31.2007 10:10 pm

i still reserve the right not to capitalize words when i write e-mails or post on internet forums. it's not only easier, but aesthetically pleasing as well.
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RE: For beginners-Some little tips for studying Japanese

Postby Groccoli » Mon 12.31.2007 10:22 pm

skrhgh3b wrote:
i still reserve the right not to capitalize words when i write e-mails or post on internet forums...


I suppose that's fine, so long as you aren't going all l33tsp3ak on us or just have generally bad grammar. At least what you write is legible.

SerpentPanda wrote:
It's just that I don't want to spend $50 on something that I can use for a week and be done with.

Yes I know what you mean SerpentPanda. I really need a textbook but I've mulled over it for a long while and I don't know how much good that $50 would do me.. I think I may buy it or Japanese for Busy People pretty soon (or hopefully but unlikely get it as a birthday gift.. better start dropping hints)
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RE: For beginners-Some little tips for studying Japanese

Postby SerpentPanda » Mon 12.31.2007 10:31 pm

Here's a quick example of some of my writing.

私は本を読みたい。でも、本を分りません。日本語を読むことができません。これで日本語をべんきょうしなければなりません。毎日、2時から3時までべんきょうします。

私の母の名前は田中です。田中さんは店へ行きました。車で行きました。にくとくだものとやさいを買いました.

Somewhat random though.

I'm still torn between a decision of Genki I or Genki II.
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RE: For beginners-Some little tips for studying Japanese

Postby richvh » Tue 01.01.2008 3:06 am

でも、本を分りません。

分かりません。
分かる is intransitive.
私の母の名前は田中です。

私は is unneeded.
田中さんは店へ行きました。

Simply 田中 or 母 would be better here.
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RE: For beginners-Some little tips for studying Japanese

Postby everdream » Tue 01.01.2008 5:51 am

Serpant Panda, I think you are better of with Genki 2.
Even though you made a couple of mistakes, what you can do is much further than Genki 1.
I never started with Genki 1, so, the advice I can give you is that if you can, you should buy a grammar dictionary, in case you come across something in Genki 2 covered in genki 1.
We grow too soon old and too late smart. - Steve Wright

'Know thyself?' If I knew myself, I'd run away. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

I went on a diet, swore off drinking and heavy eating, and in fourteen days I had lost exactly two weeks.
- Joe E. Lewis
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RE: For beginners-Some little tips for studying Japanese

Postby Simon86 » Tue 01.01.2008 4:00 pm

Well done mate, a very good post indeed. I havent tried using flash cards yet. When I have something new to learn, i do as you said, write write write and... write some more...

Keep updating if you come up with anymore tips, cool stuff.

Regarding Mike Cash's posts:

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You do this quite often... it's annoying.
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RE: For beginners-Some little tips for studying Japanese

Postby prep_girl_Nessa » Tue 01.01.2008 4:45 pm

Simon86 wrote:
Regarding Mike Cash's posts:
...
You do this quite often... it's annoying.


Quite funny, seeing a noob with 17 posts telling a member with over 2100 posts how to post. That's annoying >.<
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