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Nakama?

Postby Kairizu » Mon 12.31.2007 6:19 pm

Hello :3

I have a plethora of non-traditional Japanese study books already, but I've decided I want to buy myself a traditional textbook as well, preferrably college level. I was looking at Nakama 1 & 2, and I was wondering:
Is 'Nakama 1' and 'Nakama 1: Japanese Communication, Culture and Context' the same books or not? If not, what is the difference, if anyone knows? The difference could mean over 30 dollars in my pocket or not, so I'd really like to find out.

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RE: Nakama?

Postby Gundaetiapo » Mon 12.31.2007 6:30 pm

The inside title page of my copy says "Nakama 1 Japanese Communication, Culture, Context".
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RE: Nakama?

Postby Kairizu » Mon 12.31.2007 7:12 pm

I assume you mean inside of your copy of "Nakama 1". Thanks! Also, since you do own it, how would you rate it?
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RE: Nakama?

Postby skrhgh3b » Mon 12.31.2007 10:50 pm

i hated nakama 1 & 2.... maybe because i used it in college during first and second year japanese and i'm all too familiar with its flaws. there absolutely has to be a better textbook on the market.

if you're going to study japanese in a college classroom, you may as well bite the bullet and invest in whatever textbook that college is using because you're going to have to buy it sooner or later. otherwise, i would seriously look into textbooks published in japan. they're always better.
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RE: Nakama?

Postby sushi4ever » Mon 12.31.2007 11:08 pm

to throw in my 2 yen, i'd recommend Genki, it's good for classrooms AND self-study ;)
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RE: Nakama?

Postby Gundaetiapo » Tue 01.01.2008 4:56 am

i hated nakama 1 & 2.... maybe because i used it in college during first and second year japanese and i'm all too familiar with its flaws.


I can't imagine what you're referring to. Care to explain?
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RE: Nakama?

Postby HarakoMeshi » Tue 01.01.2008 5:56 am

Don't know about Nakama, but Genki is a very popular textbook. For myself I like Japanese For Everyone a bit more than Genki. I find the ordering of the grammar points introduced to be better, and the lesson structures to be easier to follow for self study (Genki is better with a teacher who has the Teacher's Guide). Also I dislike the romanization in Genki.
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RE: Nakama?

Postby everdream » Tue 01.01.2008 6:32 am

^ I haven't used genki 1, but genki 2 is 99% kana / kanji.
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RE: Nakama?

Postby sushi4ever » Tue 01.01.2008 8:01 am

i'm more than happy with genki and the romaji are only to be found in the first 2 lessons of the book, afterwards they are nowhere to be found ^^
(it's because it introduces hiragana and katakana in the first 2 lessons)

aaaaand i find it perfect for self study because the answer key is very cheap (i don't really need it because i have the teacher's cds) and there is no actual need for a teacher/teacher's guide. ;)
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RE: Nakama?

Postby HarakoMeshi » Tue 01.01.2008 8:46 am

^^ Yes, thankfully it stops depending on romanization after 2 chapters.

I shouldn't and don't mean to diss Genki. It's clearly very popular, and I haven't studied it, only looked at a few chapters to see how it was. Just for me personally, JFE made a better early impression than Genki. JFE just seemed more interesting to me, and interest is important. But this could be partly because I had already learned some Japanese before looking at these two texts.
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RE: Nakama?

Postby Yudan Taiteki » Tue 01.01.2008 6:31 pm

Using romaji for a couple of lessons is harmless; it's a divide-and-conquer approach to avoid having to deal with grammar, pronunciation, and the symbols all at once.
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RE: Nakama?

Postby Gundaetiapo » Tue 01.01.2008 6:38 pm

For comparison, Nakama takes the approach of having the student learn hiragana first. Katakana has furigana over it for the first three chapters. Kanji is introduced halfway through volume 1.
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RE: Nakama?

Postby Yudan Taiteki » Tue 01.01.2008 6:42 pm

That's another way to do it, but I don't see any obvious long-term advantage to that.
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RE: Nakama?

Postby Kairizu » Tue 01.01.2008 7:17 pm

Thanks for your help, everyone. I'm not a beginner or anything, I just wanted to see how actual textbooks stack up to what I've found on my own and through other books. Perhaps reinforce some traditionally learned points most people learn in a classroom that I wouldn't have found in other books. Although, a lot of the times those points are watered down and get plowed over in more advanced learning, but I thought it was worth looking into. Thanks again!
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RE: Nakama?

Postby Yudan Taiteki » Tue 01.01.2008 7:22 pm

The supreme advantage of a textbook is organization. Organization of material is one of the most important things to learning a language.
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