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Just Finished Kana, Kanji On And Kun Readings Help!

Postby Christian_ » Mon 08.01.2005 6:51 pm

hi i just finished learning hiragana and katakana and i just bought a book on grammer and a guide to reading and writing japanese. what i am wondering is how i should go about learning kanji and whats up with the readings i only want to learn japanese not chineese and do i need to learn both readings or what um i would REALLY appreciate it if some one could tell me.:( thanks

PS: the book is at the japan shop and they show the first page with ichi or hitotsu or how what ever it is.
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Postby kydancer0123 » Mon 08.01.2005 6:58 pm

My advice is that you use the old files on this page and try Heisig's Remembering the Kanji, I heard that was good. And about the A guide to Reading and Writing Japanese... well, I think that you don't have to learn bothe readings, but that's probably just my opinion. If I were you, I would probably go with just one reading.
I have a question.......
Where else can I look for Katakana lessons with mnemonics other thatn here? I've been needing to continue my lessons, but the Katakana hasn't been updated fully yet.
Good luck and I hope I helped!:)
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Postby Christian_ » Mon 08.01.2005 7:41 pm

i just learned the rest of the katakana out of my japanese grammer book and whitch readings do i need to learn on or kun and are you 100%?:|
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Postby kydancer0123 » Mon 08.01.2005 7:50 pm

x911 wrote:
i just learned the rest of the katakana out of my japanese grammer book and whitch readings do i need to learn on or kun and are you 100%?:|

Well, no I'm not entirely sure, and thanks for the grammar info. I know some Number Kanji, and I only learned the 1st reading in the Kanji book.
Wish I could help more! ^_^'
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Postby Christian_ » Mon 08.01.2005 7:51 pm

yeah thats the only thing thats stomping me i dont wana start remembering like the wrong thing.
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Postby kydancer0123 » Mon 08.01.2005 7:59 pm

Yeah.. I know how you feel. I wouldn't mind knowing which readings are right.:(
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Postby Daisuke » Mon 08.01.2005 9:01 pm

You should learn both on and kun readings, because both are used in the Japanese language.

For example
時 ji (on reading) … 時間 (jikan) = Time
時 toki (kun reading) … 時々 (tokidoki) = Sometimes

Hope that helps. ;)
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RE: Just Finished Kana, Kanji On And Kun Readings Help!

Postby kydancer0123 » Mon 08.01.2005 9:06 pm

OOOOOOOOOO man! Now I have to learn more?! Oh well, I'll keep on keepin on...:(
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Postby Gakusha » Mon 08.01.2005 9:20 pm

Yes, both on and kun readings should be learned. But do you have to learn ALL of them? I recently ran into a bunch of kanji with 15 or more readings, and there's no way i could remember them all unless I took a week to study just that kanji. MY advice would be to learn a few of the most common readings the first time around, then when you get more advanced, come back and learn the rest.
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Postby Christian_ » Tue 08.02.2005 11:31 am

and how do you tell when your reading how to pronounce a kanji like wether to say ichi gatsu or hitotsu gatsu? thanks for the help i am so excited im starting to understand alot and i can talk in basic sentences!:D


PS: arigato dozamisu
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Postby kydancer0123 » Tue 08.02.2005 1:13 pm

Yeah, I am definitely learning alot! But, the readings will be a pain. Oh well, no one said learning Japanese was going to be quick and easy! ^_^'
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Postby LordDisa » Tue 08.02.2005 1:55 pm

Yeah, as mentioned, you'll need to learn both on and kun readons for the kanji, because they are both used in the Japanese language. As for learning them, I'm taking the Heisig approach, and am going through the first part of the book, which is available for download in PDF format. Once I near the end of that, I'll purchase the book to continue on.

Heisig's first Remembering the Kanji book takes you through all 1945 jouyou kanji (plus a few more), teaching you how to write the kanji, and a single English meaning. It does this in a building block fashion, starting with the simplest kanji (as well as "primitives" - parts of kanji that themselves may not be a kanji on their own), and then building up to the more complicated ones. To get to the page that has the PDF of the first part available to download, simply go to google and search for "James Heisig Remembering Kanji" and go to the first link that has a .jp address...and the download link will be near the bottom of the page.

Heisig's second book then builds upon the foundation of your Kanji knowledge by teaching you the readings, and I believe some compounds as well (not sure, I'm not that far yet).

The first book is reasonably priced, and is available in this site's store. The second book is out of print, and is pretty expensive (around $115-130) and not the easiest to find. There's also a third book, which helps to take your kanji knowledge to 3000 kanji, but it is also out of print, much harder to find, and I'm afraid to check on its price if I do find a place that carries it.
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Postby Qbe » Tue 08.02.2005 3:44 pm

The second Heisig book may be much cheaper than Amazon sellers are charging. clay had it on thejapanshop.net for $34 or so, but he says now that it's backordered. Amazon in Japan has it near that price as well, so it may be worthwhile to import it.

The third Heisig book is also pricey, but it's available from Japan in electronic format on CD for less than $10 I believe. Or maybe we can talk clay into stocking that too ;)
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Postby LordDisa » Tue 08.02.2005 4:40 pm

Yeah, I did notice that the second book was under $40 on amazon.ca.. and that's Canadian dollars, so yeah, that's pretty inexpensive. I wonder if amazon.ca will sell and ship to the US.. I'd imagine so, but not sure. The difference between the value of the Canadian and American dollar would probably make up for the extra shipping costs.
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RE: Just Finished Kana, Kanji On And Kun Readings Help!

Postby Binsento » Tue 08.02.2005 6:45 pm

I have it as an e-book, let me know if anybody's interested.
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