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Kana Look and Learn workbook question

Postby Miaow » Wed 02.03.2010 3:56 pm

こにちは!

I just picked up another book on impulse (oops) but it looks cool. It's called "Kanji Look and Learn" by The Japan Times. It teaches 512 Kanji using simple pictures and a mnemonic sentence in English AND Japanese.

I don't have the workbook yet but I'm planning to buy it. But I have a question: does the Kanji Look and Learn Workbook have answers in the back?

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Re: Kana Look and Learn workbook question

Postby clay » Wed 02.03.2010 5:30 pm

Just in case no one who has one can tell you, I'll check for you tomorrow when I get to the office.
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Re: Kana Look and Learn workbook question

Postby Miaow » Wed 02.03.2010 9:15 pm

clay wrote:Just in case no one who has one can tell you, I'll check for you tomorrow when I get to the office.


oops, that should have been "Kanji Look and Learn" @_@

And thanks, Clay!

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Re: Kana Look and Learn workbook question

Postby furrykef » Thu 02.04.2010 4:44 am

Miaow wrote:こにちは!


Just a note: that should be こんにちは. It's very easy to miss the ん, especially since if you type "konnichiha" into the IME, you will get こにちは. (At least, that's what happens with my IME.) For that reason I usually force myself to type n' -- with the apostrophe -- when I want an ん.

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Re: Kana Look and Learn workbook question

Postby clay » Thu 02.04.2010 9:21 am

if you type "konnichiha" into the IME, you will get こにちは. (At least, that's what happens with my IME.)


Really? I have to type "konn" (then it changes to ん) + "nichiha" to get こんにちは.

What system are you using?
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Re: Kana Look and Learn workbook question

Postby Hyperworm » Thu 02.04.2010 10:10 am

On the Windows IME, "nn" converts to ん, so "konnichiha" would get you "ko-nn-i-chi-ha" こんいちは. The only way to end up with こにちは there is to type "konichiha". I echo the question of "what system are you using" to end up with こにちは from "konnichiha", furrykef ._.
Assuming you haven't got something wrong, I guess your IME must not convert nn to ん?
(and even then it's surprising that it completely ignores/discards the extra "n", such that nni=に, rather than nni=nに or んに or something...)
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Re: Kana Look and Learn workbook question

Postby clay » Thu 02.04.2010 10:24 am

Well, we sold our last Kanji Look and Learn workbook this morning and my shipper packed it before I got to the office.

I am expecting a shipment in either today or tomorrow. Sorry--I'll let you know as soon as it comes in unless someone with one can chime in before that.
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Re: Kana Look and Learn workbook question

Postby furrykef » Thu 02.04.2010 11:30 am

clay wrote:
if you type "konnichiha" into the IME, you will get こにちは. (At least, that's what happens with my IME.)


Really? I have to type "konn" (then it changes to ん) + "nichiha" to get こんにちは.


Sorry, you're right. I wasn't thinking while I wrote my post. Yes, if you write "konnichiha", you will actually get こんいちは, not こにちは. In any case, it's a tricky word to spell correctly in the IME, so I'm not too surprised when people get it wrong. ^^;

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Re: Kana Look and Learn workbook question

Postby Hyperworm » Thu 02.04.2010 11:38 am

My point is that since (with every IME I've heard of) you can only get こにちは by typing "konichiha" (one n), it indicates the problem is probably with the user not knowing how "konnichi wa" is spelt/pronounced, rather than a problem with using the IME. ^^;

こにちは = learn how to spell it (こんにちは)
こんいちは = learn how to use your IME ^^

(I've seen the IME thing brought up in response to こにちは before, so I thought I'd point it out this time.)
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Re: Kana Look and Learn workbook question

Postby Miaow » Thu 02.04.2010 3:27 pm

furrykef wrote:
Miaow wrote:こにちは!


Just a note: that should be こんにちは. It's very easy to miss the ん, especially since if you type "konnichiha" into the IME, you will get こにちは. (At least, that's what happens with my IME.) For that reason I usually force myself to type n' -- with the apostrophe -- when I want an ん.

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Furrykef,

Thanks for the tip! (And here I thought I was doing well with the は vs わ! :) )

I use NJStar - and, HMM, oddly enough, now that I'm checking myself in NJStar, it's coming out "こんにちは". I'm guessing I made a typo yesterday and left out an "n". Maybe I should have just used "今日は". ^_^

Which spellings, the kanji version or the kana-only version, is more common among Japanese-speakers? Or are they used equally?

Hmm, just checked Google: 104 million hits for こんにちは, and 79 million for 今日は. for what it's worth.....

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Re: Kana Look and Learn workbook question

Postby furrykef » Thu 02.04.2010 3:38 pm

I'd stick with こんにちは. 今日は is usually read "きょうは" and in that context means "as for today..."

Sometimes people do write it 今日は, but this is sometimes a sign that they are waapuro-baka (a term that describes people who rely on the IME too much for kanji).
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Re: Kana Look and Learn workbook question

Postby clay » Fri 02.05.2010 12:02 pm

Sorry for the delay, but we just got our shipment in.

The Kanji Look and Learn Workbook does include a detachable answer key. I just updated the website with that information. You can also click on the small image to see a few inside scans.

http://www.thejapanshop.com/product.php?productid=17671

If you have any other questions about it or need more scans, just let me know.
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Re: Kana Look and Learn workbook question

Postby Miaow » Thu 02.11.2010 12:34 pm

To conclude, I placed my order and it's shipped - looking forward to its arrival! My thanks to Clay and everyone who clarified my "konniciwa"! (I'd type in kana, but I'm on my Palm phone - for which I'm still searching for some sort of Japanese IME capability! But that's another post....
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Re: Kana Look and Learn workbook question

Postby clay » Thu 02.11.2010 12:43 pm

Great! Thank you very much. :)
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Re: Kana Look and Learn workbook question

Postby Harisenbon » Thu 02.11.2010 9:15 pm

Miaow wrote:Hmm, just checked Google: 104 million hits for こんにちは, and 79 million for 今日は. for what it's worth.....


the reason you got 79 million hits is probably because 今日は is completely correct.
It's just generally not read "こんにちは" ;)

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