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Master Japanese tip!

Postby Jnstyles » Mon 07.17.2006 12:16 am

Konnichiwa!
Ok this was the fastest way i learned how to speak
Nihongo(Japanese).
I bought a Japanese-English dictionary and studied and
memorized atleast all the words in it, so i'd be able to
atleast recognize some words.
Then i watched a bunch of japanese movies,
animes,t.v shows, etc, this enabled me to understand
where to place verbs, topics, topic markers, words, w.e..
into a sentence..
since i already know some words..i'd was able to make a sentence
and understand em!!
This took me about three months but im
70% able to speak and understand japanese fluently.
where is the other 30% you ask?
well..i have no idea how to write the language..lol
This tip was from a book, but i can't remember what it is..
anyways thnx for listening i mean reading..
DOUMO ARIGATOU GOZAIMASU!!!
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RE: Master Japanese tip!

Postby metapod » Mon 07.17.2006 12:24 am

umm. I don't really think you could go from memorizing a dictionary to being able to understand fast spoken sentences and pick up grammar from japanese movies and anime in three months and are 70% fluent... but thats just me.
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RE: Master Japanese tip!

Postby Jnstyles » Mon 07.17.2006 12:31 am

well im half japanese..lol..mayb its just me..
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RE: Master Japanese tip!

Postby Sumi » Mon 07.17.2006 1:37 am

And since when does your ethnicity ensure that you'll succeed in a certain language. Wait, if you don't even know how to write Japanese then how do you know what a certain particle is when you see it? I'm somewhat skeptical of your method.
ねえ、あのう、弟さん、ここに遊んじゃだめだよ。あそこは酸があるんだよ。
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RE: Master Japanese tip!

Postby Jnstyles » Mon 07.17.2006 1:54 am

lol well here's the book that gave me the tip!
it was on the second page after the introductory..
well i already knew some japanese cause im half,
so that's probably why i learned it so quickly..ahaha
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/4872342372/sr=8-16/qid=1153115425/ref=sr_1_16/103-9810447-0321450?ie=UTF8

oh i know how to read and write romaji i meant that i can't
write hiragana and katana.
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RE: Master Japanese tip!

Postby aKuMu » Mon 07.17.2006 2:27 am

Well first of I don't think you can speak / understand 70% fluently (or 100% as you say the 30% are just the writing)in just 3 Months. That's just ridiculous.
You learned 10 of thousand of Words in 3 Months?
Anyway, i don't know whats the Problem, just learn the Kana then. By your learning Speed you should have learned them in about a Day ;)
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RE: Master Japanese tip!

Postby Jnstyles » Mon 07.17.2006 2:52 am

well there's no way in hell i can prove to u guys that i have learned it..
u guys could make me a paragraph in romaji and i can translate it..
but u guys might say that i cheated...but i could give it a shot..
but if i do translate all of it correctly, would you believe that I have,
maybe even just a little learned anything from that tip?
i just noticed when i was learning the hiragana link u gave me..
ra sounds like la......wth..that's y i keep noticing no1 saying ra..
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RE: Master Japanese tip!

Postby w the cat » Mon 07.17.2006 2:59 am

I believe you...It's just that, I don't think everyone can memorize a whole dictionary. You, my friend, are truly gifted.:p
...no, of course i wasn't sleeping... i just had a really long blink...
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RE: Master Japanese tip!

Postby paul_b » Mon 07.17.2006 3:00 am

Jnstyles wrote:
well there's no way in hell i can prove to u guys that i have learned it..
u guys could make me a paragraph in romaji and i can translate it..
but u guys might say that i cheated...but i could give it a shot..
but if i do translate all of it correctly, would you believe that I have,
maybe even just a little learned anything from that tip?


kokugo no bunshoudokkairyoku o mi ni tukeru tame ni wa, ooku no bunshou o yomu koto (tadoku) to tomoni, komakaku bunshou o yomu koto (seidoku) ga hituyou desu.

bunshou o yomu koto wa, aru imi dewa, kansetsuteki na keikenn o tsumu koto na no de, tadoku suru koto ni yotte, sekai ga hirogari, shiya mo hirogarimasu.

soreyue, tadoku wa bunshou o kannkakutekini rikai suru koto o youi ni suru, to iemasu. 
 
kore ni taisite, seidoku no gijutu o migaku koto ni yotte, bunshou o komakaku ronnriteki ni rikai suru koto ga youi ni narimasu.
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RE: Master Japanese tip!

Postby Harisenbon » Mon 07.17.2006 3:07 am

well there's no way in hell i can prove to u guys that i have learned it..


Try writing to us in Japanese. You prove things by doing them, usually.

u guys could make me a paragraph in romaji and i can translate it..


I don't often equate illiteracy with fluency. How about you write to us in Japanese, and we can take a look at it.

well i already knew some japanese cause im half,
so that's probably why i learned it so quickly..ahaha


Yeah, I learned the 2000 kanji for 1kkyu in 10 minutes.
But I already knew some japanese because I had been studying it since I was 13. Probably why I learned it so quickly.

I may seem snippy, but really I see no point to your post except for bragging, and putting down those members of this page who work hard every day to learn Japanese.

would you believe that I have,
maybe even just a little learned anything from that tip?


I will readily believe that you have learned something from that. But I am generally ill-disposed towards those who throw around the word "fluent," especially after studying such a short time. ESPECIALLY when those people cannot even read Japanese.

I notice that people who say they are fluent generally aren't, and people who say they aren't fluent (like Mr. Tony) generally are.
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RE: Master Japanese tip!

Postby Oyaji » Mon 07.17.2006 3:08 am

There's no need for you to prove anything. This isn't a competition.

As for your tip; I think it would be quite difficult for most people to memorize an entire English-Japanese dictionary, especially if they have no experience in Japanese. I'm sure you were trying to be helpful, and some people may find your method of use, but I don't think it is the method I would recommend to most people.

Out of curiosity, how do you measure your fluency?

edit: i wrote this before reading Paul and harisenbon's post, so the first sentence is not in response to those posts.
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RE: Master Japanese tip!

Postby Jnstyles » Mon 07.17.2006 3:08 am

It's not about memorizing a whole dictionary..
it's saying it soo much it is second nature to you..
When i moved here to Canada i had no idea how to speak english
but i'm surrounded by english everyday and it took me a year and a half
to learn english and almost speak fluently.
by surrounding myself with japanese culture and reading the romaji
i was able to learn the language enough to just get a grasp
of their language very quickly...and that helped me learn the sentence
structure of the japanese language, and by knowing some words from
the dictionary i was able to make sentences and understand some of the
language.
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RE: Master Japanese tip!

Postby paul_b » Mon 07.17.2006 3:11 am

Oyaji wrote:
As for your tip; I think it would be quite difficult for most people to memorize an entire English-Japanese dictionary, especially if they have no experience in Japanese.

When I was first learning Japanese I bought a learners Japanese-English dictionary covering 3,000 words with example sentences. I pretty much memorised the words in that but 3,000 doesn't make fluent.

せっかくのローマ字の例文は無視されているみたいです。(苦笑

edit: i wrote this before reading Paul and harisenbon's post, so the first sentence is not in response to those posts.

I wrote this before reading your edited post so the above ... (this could go on for ever :-P )

In case it isn't blindingly obvious I am not the original author of the romaji passage I just transcribed it into romaji.
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RE: Master Japanese tip!

Postby SunaipaaKisei » Mon 07.17.2006 3:54 am

I have no idea wth is going on right now..
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RE: Master Japanese tip!

Postby SunaipaaKisei » Mon 07.17.2006 12:17 pm

kokugo no bunshoudokkairyoku o mi ni tukeru tame ni wa, ooku no bunshou o yomu koto (tadoku) to tomoni, komakaku bunshou o yomu koto (seidoku) ga hituyou desu.

bunshou o yomu koto wa, aru imi dewa, kansetsuteki na keikenn o tsumu koto na no de, tadoku suru koto ni yotte, sekai ga hirogari, shiya mo hirogarimasu.

soreyue, tadoku wa bunshou o kannkakutekini rikai suru koto o youi ni suru, to iemasu. 
 
kore ni taisite, seidoku no gijutu o migaku koto ni yotte, bunshou o komakaku ronnriteki ni rikai suru koto ga youi ni narimasu.


well here it is..sorry bout the big fuss..
1
kokugo no bunshoudokkairyoku o mi ni tukeru tame ni wa, ooku no bunshou o yomu koto (tadoku) to tomoni, komakaku bunshou o yomu koto (seidoku) ga hituyou desu.

If you want to strengthen (Japanese?) reading comprehension,
You must peruse a lot of sentences.

2
bunshou o yomu koto wa, aru imi dewa, kansetsuteki na keikenn o tsumu koto na no de, tadoku suru koto ni yotte, sekai ga hirogari, shiya mo hirogarimasu.

The reading is an indirect experience.
(The reading is an indirect knowledge of life.)
You get various viewpoints by the active reading.

3
soreyue, tadoku wa bunshou o kannkakutekini rikai suru koto o youi ni suru, to iemasu.

In other words, you will understand emotionally sentences by the rapid reading.

4
kore ni taisite, seidoku no gijutu o migaku koto ni yotte, bunshou o komakaku ronnriteki ni rikai suru koto ga youi ni narimasu.

On the other hand, you will understand logically sentences by the perusal.
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