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Master Japanese tip!

Have a textbook or grammar book that you find particularly helpful? What about a learning tip to share with others?

RE: Master Japanese tip!

Postby Budomaru » Mon 07.17.2006 12:27 pm

i think that romaji text was directed towards Jnstyles ;)
You know you've been hanging around a forum too long when people start quoting you and agreeing :P
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RE: Master Japanese tip!

Postby paul_b » Mon 07.17.2006 12:56 pm

SunaipaaKisei wrote:
well here it is..sorry bout the big fuss..

Like budomaru said it wasn't really aimed at you but I'll quite happily apply "literate" as a title to anybody who struggles through that much romaji.

kokugo no bunshoudokkairyoku o mi ni tukeru tame ni wa, ooku no bunshou o yomu koto (tadoku) to tomoni, komakaku bunshou o yomu koto (seidoku) ga hituyou desu.

If you want to strengthen (Japanese?) reading comprehension,
You must peruse a lot of sentences.

kokugo is a tricky one to translate. "Japanese" is one way of doing it or you could just have "reading comprehension". "sentences" is a rather dubious translation, "texts" might be better. You missed the second half as well.

In order to strengthen reading comprehension you need both to read a lot of texts as also to study texts with great care.

bunshou o yomu koto wa, aru imi dewa, kansetsuteki na keikenn o tsumu koto na no de, tadoku suru koto ni yotte, sekai ga hirogari, shiya mo hirogarimasu.

The reading is an indirect experience.
(The reading is an indirect knowledge of life.)
You get various viewpoints by the active reading.

Not really much to add here, I'd probably phrase it a little differently.

To read is, in a way, to indirectly gain experience (of life), by reading many works your world will expand and you will see things through more view points.

soreyue, tadoku wa bunshou o kannkakutekini rikai suru koto o youi ni suru, to iemasu.

In other words, you will understand emotionally sentences by the rapid reading.

Thus you can say that by reading a lot you will get a feel for texts.

kore ni taisite, seidoku no gijutu o migaku koto ni yotte, bunshou o komakaku ronnriteki ni rikai suru koto ga youi ni narimasu.

On the other hand, you will understand logically sentences by the perusal.

On the other hand but polishing your skills in intensive reading you will become able to understand the texts logically.

Well I'm not saying my translation is that good but I suppose if I'm putting it up as a test I should at least show how well (or not) I can translate it myself. ;-)
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RE: Master Japanese tip!

Postby belle0985 » Mon 07.17.2006 12:58 pm

Hrm I thought dictionaries ususally had the kanji/kana writing not romanji.. that must have been really difficult if you can't read any of that! lol
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RE: Master Japanese tip!

Postby paul_b » Mon 07.17.2006 1:03 pm

belle0985 wrote:
Hrm I thought dictionaries ususally had the kanji/kana writing not romanji..

Quick! Edit that before Tony sees it. ;-)
that must have been really difficult if you can't read any of that! lol

Most dictionaries do have kanji/kana even if they are for beginners. Those that dont tend to be for tourists rather than people seriously trying to learn Japanese.
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RE: Master Japanese tip!

Postby shinzou » Mon 07.17.2006 1:06 pm

Konnichiwa!
Ok this was the fastest way i learned how to speak
Nihongo(Japanese).
I bought a Japanese-English dictionary and studied and
memorized atleast all the words in it, so i'd be able to
atleast recognize some words.
Then i watched a bunch of japanese movies,
animes,t.v shows, etc, this enabled me to understand
where to place verbs, topics, topic markers, words, w.e..
into a sentence..
since i already know some words..i'd was able to make a sentence
and understand em!!
This took me about three months but im
70% able to speak and understand japanese fluently.
where is the other 30% you ask?
well..i have no idea how to write the language..lol
This tip was from a book, but i can't remember what it is..
anyways thnx for listening i mean reading..
DOUMO ARIGATOU GOZAIMASU!!!

Perhaps you should read that thread on "Ignoring users".
Sorry if that was a bit off topic (and I realize that).

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RE: Master Japanese tip!

Postby shinzou » Mon 07.17.2006 1:27 pm

Further more,
I may seem snippy, but really I see no point to your post except for bragging, and putting down those members of this page who work hard every day to learn Japanese.

I agree totally, and you're not being "snippy" at all my friend. Some of us bust our butts to learn, and we don't need arrogant newbies to tell us that they could memorize thousands of words in 3 months.

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RE: Master Japanese tip!

Postby Schisma » Mon 07.17.2006 1:42 pm

Jnstyles wrote:
well there's no way in hell i can prove to u guys that i have learned it..
u guys could make me a paragraph in romaji and i can translate it..
but u guys might say that i cheated...but i could give it a shot..
but if i do translate all of it correctly, would you believe that I have,
maybe even just a little learned anything from that tip?
i just noticed when i was learning the hiragana link u gave me..
ra sounds like la......wth..that's y i keep noticing no1 saying ra..


Right, you can speak japanese fluently but you don't know how to pronounce ra. How COULD you cheat? Running japanese through a translator would be obvious. It would be chocked full of grammar errors and mistranslations.

EDIT: Ok, making my first post a semi-rude one. Maybe not a great first impression.
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RE: Master Japanese tip!

Postby paul_b » Mon 07.17.2006 1:49 pm

Schisma wrote:
EDIT: Ok, making my first post a semi-rude one. Maybe not a great first impression.

My motto is if you can't say something nice ... pick carefully who you say something nasty to. ;-)
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RE: Master Japanese tip!

Postby shinzou » Mon 07.17.2006 1:50 pm

Hah, don't worry.
Ok, making my first post a semi-rude one. Maybe not a great first impression.

I can't say I've been nice either (if you've read my posts on this thread).:P

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RE: hey

Postby kingthe30051101 » Mon 07.17.2006 2:15 pm

i cant get into chat ahhhh
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RE: Master Japanese tip!

Postby Schisma » Mon 07.17.2006 2:24 pm

Didn't you already spam another topic with that?
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RE: Master Japanese tip!

Postby shinzou » Mon 07.17.2006 2:28 pm

kingthe30051101 wrote:
i cant get into chat ahhhh

Please people, if you are going to pose questions, do it on the APPROPRIATE THREAD.
*whew*
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Some of us are getting sick of random, pointless posts. There's a time and a place for it.

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RE: Master Japanese tip!

Postby paul_b » Mon 07.17.2006 2:35 pm

shinzou wrote:
Some of us are getting sick of random, pointless posts. There's a time and a place for it.

So when is the time and place for random pointless posts?
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RE: Master Japanese tip!

Postby Mariya » Mon 07.17.2006 2:37 pm

I haven't learnt the English dictionary off by heart. Does that mean I'm not fluent? :@

I may seem snippy, but really I see no point to your post except for bragging, and putting down those members of this page who work hard every day to learn Japanese.

And here we have the voice of reason around here. Thanks for summing up what would have turned into one of my huge rants. Hats off to you.
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RE: Master Japanese tip!

Postby richvh » Mon 07.17.2006 2:41 pm

paul_b wrote:
shinzou wrote:
Some of us are getting sick of random, pointless posts. There's a time and a place for it.

So when is the time and place for random pointless posts?


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