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たすけて!!!!!!!!

Postby Kisshu » Tue 12.12.2006 1:19 pm

I have finally conpleted lesson six in my Genki I textbook. That counts as taking a year of Japanese. The only problem, is that I am learning at home, and will not be able to learn in a school until next school year. Because of learning at home, I have a really hard time with listing and speaking skills. I am very slow, and sometimes, the sentance has to be repeated over many times before I understand it. This is especially true now that I have learned the ~te form of verbs with is TOTALLY new to me.

Does anybody know of a website with simpe Japanese listening clips, or something that could help me out????!!!! WARG!
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RE: たすけて!!!!!!!!

Postby richvh » Tue 12.12.2006 1:38 pm

Have you checked out Japanese pod 101 or [url=http://www.japancast.net[/url]Japan Cast[/url]? Or for something really simple, the Frank and the Obaasan lessons on this site?
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RE: たすけて!!!!!!!!

Postby paul_b » Tue 12.12.2006 1:39 pm

Buy past JLPT papers for a cheap source of graded listening material. Right now they should be available cheap (as everybody starts throws away last year's books ;-) You could probably get some off other tJP members.
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RE: たすけて!!!!!!!!

Postby CajunCoder » Tue 12.12.2006 2:01 pm

You just learned te form, and have been studying a year?

Well, many would disagree with me, but I do not believe that text books nor classes are the most efficient way to learn a language. Language is something that above all, you have to become familiar with. Most students neglect using it entirely outside of "studying".

My advice is to first find a good online grammar guide (or better yet, several), and skim through all of the concepts. You don't have to get them all down 100%, just become familiar with them.

While you're doing that, read, read, read, read, read. Find any and everything you can to read. Something which catches your interest is better than something which doesn't.

As you become more familiar with words and conjugations, your listening comprehension will also benifit. Of course, practicing your listening comprehension is still very important. Do you watch anything in Japanese often? Jdramas and random videos on youtube are good practice. Even anime can be good listening practice, though you should keep in mind that speach in anime is often... Well, not standard Japanese, to say the least.
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RE: たすけて!!!!!!!!

Postby Kisshu » Tue 12.12.2006 2:17 pm

Thanks for the suggestions

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I agree with some of what you have said, but not with other parts. First of all, I have to learn fromt he textbook I am at the moment, so that I can pretest into the calss next year, so dropping the textbook alltogether really isn't an option. Plus, I asked for it for my birthdya, and I really enjoy using it. It is veyr thorough except for the listening and speaking skills which are meant to be used in the classroom. Also, i am a VERY visual learning. That is particially why it is harder for me to learn the speking half. I can memorize all the kanji for the lesson (usually 20 or something) in about 10 to 15 minutes. That part I find easy. But when they talk so fast, I have a hard time picking up on words.

I read Japanese mangas all the time and understand a lot of what they are saying. But, like I have previously said... reading is EASY and same with writing. It is just coming up with quick responses that I find difficult.

I do watch some anime (all in Japanese) and a TON of Jdramas and videos. So that has been helping me out. Tanks for the tips!

(also, I haven't been stodying for a year, I have been studying for about three months. But the ammount I have studied would be compatible to a year of 45 minutes a day at this Universitiy near me (the University of Minnesota) or half a year of an hour and a half a day. Either way, it is counted as a year of Japanese. Each lesson has a TON of grammer and is very thoroughly done. Although I can't say that this is true, the GENKI program has been called the best and more thorough curriculem for learning Japanese by many people. There are probably are three which are considered the best, and GENKI is one of them. It goes slower than many series because it doesn't jsut focus on one thing (reading, writing, listening, or speaking) but it focuses on all of them todether. So while some people may seem to be learning faster, Genki just teaches more efficiently :D)
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RE: たすけて!!!!!!!!

Postby Sumi » Tue 12.12.2006 4:35 pm

Kisshu wrote:
I have finally conpleted lesson six in my Genki I textbook. That counts as taking a year of Japanese.


おめでとうございます。よく勉強しています。元気だね。
Congratulations! Study well! Good luck.

The only problem, is that I am learning at home, and will not be able to learn in a school until next school year. Because of learning at home, I have a really hard time with listing and speaking skills. I am very slow, and sometimes, the sentance has to be repeated over many times before I understand it. This is especially true now that I have learned the ~te form of verbs with is TOTALLY new to me.

Does anybody know of a website with simpe Japanese listening clips, or something that could help me out????!!!! WARG!


あなたの問題が分かっている。本当には、同じ問題を持っています。
I understand your problem. I actually have the same one.
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RE: たすけて!!!!!!!!

Postby kohyin » Tue 12.12.2006 6:32 pm

Sumi wrote:

おめでとうございます。よく勉強しています。元気だね。
Congratulations! Study well! Good luck.


あなたの問題が分かっている。本当には、同じ問題を持っています。
I understand your problem. I actually have the same one.


Study well! = よく勉強しなさい。
よく勉強しています。 = (You) are studying (it) very well.

Good luck = 幸運を(いのります)(direct translation) or 頑張って(more natural)

I understand your problem. = あなたの 問題は わたしにも わかります。
I actually have the same one. = 本当は わたしも 同じ問題を 抱えています。


I think both of you are doing great for having to learn the language on your own.
I have been learning Mandarin by myself and I understand your dilemma. I listen to ChinesePod. It helps but, not really because what I really need is interactions with real Mandarin speakers. For an example; "to eat", "to go", and "to know" in Chinese sound same to me, and I know I need a basic pronounciation training. I believe the best thing is to attend a language class, but as for me, I haven't found a Chinese class offered at the hours I can attend so far.

One has to take what is available and to make the best out of it...

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RE: たすけて!!!!!!!!

Postby Jay3205 » Tue 12.12.2006 7:35 pm

I used to have the same problem when I was studying at home, and even a little bit now. I'd just agree with the other people's suggestions and watch some anime and jdrama (jdrama is better I'd say due to more realistic speech). As for being able to speak back a.k.a. actual conversation, practice is the only way to improve. If you can buy/ borrow from the library, I'd look for Pimsleur audio files. The grammar will be very simple at first, but you'll actually learn to speak.

I'm no expert, but it seems your language skills should be in the order of listening skills (greatest) > speaking skills > reading/writing, at least for beginning language learners. I've been studying Japanese for a bit over a year, and that's how my skills are. Even my native English skills are like that.
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RE: たすけて!!!!!!!!

Postby faan-san » Tue 12.12.2006 8:43 pm

If it makes you feel any better, I am a Japanese 3 student. I study at school, and I can call my JPN teacher anytime to chat. I still have trouble with listening and speaking skills. (Actually, I can speak and read farely well...I just can't do both. So, when I am asked to read things aloud...I stumble and fight to get the words right.)
I wish I weren't here...that my time could be spent elsewhere.
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RE: たすけて!!!!!!!!

Postby Sachi » Tue 12.12.2006 9:34 pm

Hey, Kish ^^ Congratz on finishing lesson 6! (I've been slacking... Just over one year a few weeks ago, and I'm only on 11 ^^; )

Anyways, podcasts are a great help, as are Jdramas and anime. Japancast is great. I've also subscribed to some podcasts that are for more advanced just to get a better sense of the language. But really, I think what's helped me most is music. I have so much Japanese music! It's really helped my pronunciation, though, and even though singing is slower than speech, it's helped my listening a lot, too. Plus, it's more fun than listening to people talk about something that I really can't understand ^^

Also, if you can, getting a chat partner if you can would help a lot, I'm sure. Practice makes perfect, y'know?

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RE: たすけて!!!!!!!!

Postby Sumi » Tue 12.12.2006 10:21 pm

kohyin wrote:
Sumi wrote:

おめでとうございます。よく勉強しています。元気だね。
Congratulations! Study well! Good luck.


あなたの問題が分かっている。本当には、同じ問題を持っています。
I understand your problem. I actually have the same one.


Study well! = よく勉強しなさい。
よく勉強しています。 = (You) are studying (it) very well.

Good luck = 幸運を(いのります)(direct translation) or 頑張って(more natural)

I understand your problem. = あなたの 問題は わたしにも わかります。
I actually have the same one. = 本当は わたしも 同じ問題を 抱えています。


I think both of you are doing great for having to learn the language on your own.
I have been learning Mandarin by myself and I understand your dilemma. I listen to ChinesePod. It helps but, not really because what I really need is interactions with real Mandarin speakers. For an example; "to eat", "to go", and "to know" in Chinese sound same to me, and I know I need a basic pronounciation training. I believe the best thing is to attend a language class, but as for me, I haven't found a Chinese class offered at the hours I can attend so far.

One has to take what is available and to make the best out of it...

おたがい、頑張りましょう! :)


どうもありがとうござます! I needed that.
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RE: たすけて!!!!!!!!

Postby Ichigo19 » Tue 12.12.2006 11:10 pm

I also had the problem with listening and speakin, still do actually. I think the genki CDs are made to be hard to understand but that's just me because I can understand anime/music or wutever else i listen to pretty easily. Anime helps a lot with listening practice as well as music as thats mostly what i can get. The genki CDs are ok, but they do go way too fast for beginners i think. I did use pimsleur's CDs a while ago from my library and its pretty good for listening practice but it does go fast as well. But I don't think pimsluer is good for actually "learning" japanese. I've been studying since about this past january is when i really got into it and I've finished Genki I&II and have gone through mostly everything in "A basic Dictionary of japanese grammar". But I don't do anything except study all day long....But I'd say Japanese Music has been my biggest help with listening, I have a friend that wants to learn japanese so when they get their level up some more i could actually practice speaking that way, but until then im stuck with no one to practice speakin with.
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RE: たすけて!!!!!!!!

Postby Kisshu » Wed 12.13.2006 12:21 am

Thanks everyone for your congrats and helpful suggestions! I'm glad to hear that I am not the only one with this problem! I have been working really hard lately, and really, I have only been seriously studying for 3-4 months, so I have gone pretty fast.. but that is mainly cuz I am so excited to learn the next new hting. THis is sorta problematic though, since I don't learn things QUITE so well..... but thanks for your help and support! てつだって、ありがとうございます!皆さんはとてもやさしいれす。どうもありがとう!
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RE: たすけて!!!!!!!!

Postby Mike Cash » Wed 12.13.2006 5:18 am

Six lessons counts as one year of classes?

That's mind-boggling.
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RE: たすけて!!!!!!!!

Postby paul_b » Wed 12.13.2006 5:26 am

Mike Cash wrote:
Six lessons counts as one year of classes?

That's mind-boggling.

For comparison one year (of a two year GCSE course) was 30 lessons of 2 1/2 hours each (and we were expected to do a lot of practice inbetween).
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