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Learning with no english?

Postby under___attack » Sun 12.09.2007 2:52 am

(well, with some english...)
Okay so I'm learning Japanese right now
with only a grammar book, kanji book, and a review book.
(for lack of good library options)
The review book gives you about 10 key vocab
words per chapter with no other english. No sentence
translations or anything. The way I've been learning
is to just 'pretend' I know japanese and use the sentence
structure I learn from the grammar book+the kanji book
if I run into any I don't know...
I think I'm doing pretty good but I want to know if this
method is effective or if I should stop wasting my time and
order a text book
(example of progress - would love corrections)
カウンタにわたいてえ長い列があって, 人がたくさん
The line at the counter is generally long, there are lots of people

any other learning tips would be loved
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RE: Learning with no english?

Postby HarakoMeshi » Sun 12.09.2007 6:04 am

I'm not sure about how well this method works, but if you're having trouble finding textbooks then I suggest looking for online resources like Tae kim's Japanese Guide, since I see you have internet.

カウンターの前には たいてい長い列があって,人がたくさん (いる/います)。
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RE: Learning with no english?

Postby Wakannai » Sun 12.09.2007 8:25 am

You definitely want a structured method, whatever the method is. Structure is the most important thing at your level so you need a textbook or some other course that introduces new concepts in a systematic way and then builds on previous teachings so that previous concepts are constantly reinforced, the same way a math book does. Grammar books and such are great references but are poor primary sources.

You can get a decent textbook for under $20 off of Amazon or Ebay if you look hard enough.
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RE: Learning with no english?

Postby under___attack » Sun 12.09.2007 4:30 pm

Thank you for the tips
I'll have to try and find
a textbook
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RE: Learning with no english?

Postby Oni » Sun 12.09.2007 6:05 pm

Just a side note, it's perfectly possible to learn a language without the help of another language. You had to learn your first one somehow. :p

On to the more helpful part of this post... There's a program that uses this method to teach languages. It's called Rosetta Stone. It doesn't give you any English translations for the Japanese you see, read and hear. You actually have to deduce the meanings of words. It's really a nice package, but on the down side is it's, I believe, about $350 or so.

Anyway, that's my two cents.
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RE: Learning with no english?

Postby saraLynne » Sun 12.09.2007 7:11 pm

I like Rosetta Stone, too. I also feel the need to warn people that it's not for everyone. It requires a certain amount of willpower to allow yourself to have fuzzy understandings of words at some time and wait for them to be cleared up later.

Rosetta Stone recently revamped their interactive flash intro before getting into the demo. You could give it a try. Military households can get Rosetta Stone for free, and I hear some libraries offer it as a service for free as well.
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RE: Learning with no english?

Postby chikara » Sun 12.09.2007 7:17 pm

under___attack wrote:
(well, with some english...)
Okay so I'm learning Japanese right now
with only a grammar book, kanji book, and a review book.
(for lack of good library options)
The review book gives you about 10 key vocab
words per chapter with no other english. No sentence
translations or anything.
.....

Do you find
that the random use
of carriage return/line feed aids in
the
ease with which
a paragraph
can be read?

:o
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RE: Learning with no english?

Postby AJBryant » Mon 12.10.2007 10:32 am

It reminds me
of bad so-called poetry
that we too often see
these days.
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Re: Learning with no english?

Postby Myuka » Mon 08.18.2008 1:57 pm

If you want to try Rosetta Stone for free you can request a free demo CD online to try using the Japanese one. I did, I did it today so I can't offer any advice on how good it is.

Otherwise another place you might want to check out is Livemocha.com they offer a good program. I reccomend trying it. It's free right now, probably eventually cost money though(when they're done adding everything they want). Use it now while you can :)

I really like it. I've studied Japanese for probably about 3 years, I went there for 6months and it's great review and uses listening, reading and writing practice. They have speaking practice to but, I don't have a microphone.

It's good review, downside is you need to know a lot of kanji.
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