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Postby guitarplayer7694 » Mon 12.10.2007 6:14 pm

In your opinion, what order should these be learned.
grammer,vocab,and reading/writing.
If you think any more should be added please tell me. :D
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RE: learning.

Postby Yudan Taiteki » Mon 12.10.2007 6:19 pm

You can't take those and learn them separately. You need a learning system that combines everything.
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RE: learning.

Postby guitarplayer7694 » Mon 12.10.2007 6:22 pm

so this site will not work for learning?
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Postby saraLynne » Mon 12.10.2007 6:57 pm

I've found this site to be an awesome resource for culture and easy reference. However, there aren't many 'lessons' like a textbook might give you. There's Frank and the Obaasan, they're a pretty nice (and fun!) introduction to some grammar concepts and vocabulary.
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RE: learning.

Postby kayuu » Mon 12.10.2007 7:43 pm

There isn't an order to it, really. It'd be silly to try and learn all the grammar without learning any vocabulaly - one doesn't work without the other.

You can't really learn Japanese from this website, like SaraLynne said - it's a good reference and has some things about culture and language but it's hardly comprehensive.

If you're seriously interested in learning the language I can give some good recommendations of books that either I use or have been highly recommended to me.

The most popular textbook series seem to be 'Genki', 'Japanese for Busy People' and 'Minna no Nihongo'. There are more available, though.

There are a lot of books that cover one area - for example, for vocab you can get dictionaries (but I recommend following the vocab in textbooks because it has a better structure for you to learn from i.e. in usefulness order) and there are a couple of 'dictionaries' for grammar points and particles.

Textbook Series:
Genki
Japanese for Busy People
Minna no Nihongo

Useful Reference/Supplements:
Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar
Basic Kanji Book v1
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RE: learning.

Postby guitarplayer7694 » Mon 12.10.2007 7:53 pm

Do you know any that are cheaper, I'm sorry but $40 for a book is to much. I'll go with it if i have to, but why when i can find cheaper.
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RE: learning.

Postby saraLynne » Mon 12.10.2007 8:20 pm

People have repeatedly referred you to Tae Kim's website.

The more expensive books generally include audio. You can find cheaper, but you know the old addage, "You get what you pay for." Be wary of being too frugal.
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RE: learning.

Postby kayuu » Mon 12.10.2007 9:11 pm

Do you have any intention to go to university? If so, prepare yourself for having to pay up to $100 per book, 4 books per semester. That's what I'm faced with :P $40 isn't expensive for a textbook at all (in fact, it's quite cheap) and you certainly get your money's worth especially if you go for Genki or Minna no Nihongo. Anything cheaper wouldn't help you nearly as much as Genki would.

It's really the only way to go if you seriously want to learn - there isn't a single free resource (at least none that I've found) that is as comprehensive as a textbook would be. Textbooks are wonderfully structured, give you the material you need in an easy to understand way, and test your comprehension with various exercises.

The closest you're going to get is Tae Kim's, and if you don't want to use that, there's nothing else I can recommend. Sorry.
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RE: learning.

Postby Wakannai » Mon 12.10.2007 10:03 pm

Japanese for Busy people 3rd edition is $16. Click on the link provided.
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RE: learning.

Postby TrashTreasurer » Mon 12.10.2007 10:11 pm

Wakannai wrote:
Japanese for living people 3rd edition is $16. Click on the link provided.


Excuse my sarcasm, but I must ask...did they determine that the market for dead people wanting to learn japanese simply wasn't large enough B)?
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RE: learning.

Postby guitarplayer7694 » Mon 12.10.2007 11:25 pm

kayuu wrote:
Do you have any intention to go to university? If so, prepare yourself for having to pay up to $100 per book, 4 books per semester. That's what I'm faced with :P $40 isn't expensive for a textbook at all (in fact, it's quite cheap) and you certainly get your money's worth especially if you go for Genki or Minna no Nihongo. Anything cheaper wouldn't help you nearly as much as Genki would.

It's really the only way to go if you seriously want to learn - there isn't a single free resource (at least none that I've found) that is as comprehensive as a textbook would be. Textbooks are wonderfully structured, give you the material you need in an easy to understand way, and test your comprehension with various exercises.

The closest you're going to get is Tae Kim's, and if you don't want to use that, there's nothing else I can recommend. Sorry.


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RE: learning.

Postby HarakoMeshi » Mon 12.10.2007 11:28 pm

I love "Japanese for Everyone: A Functional Approach to Daily Communication". The grammar explanations are very good. I got an almost new copy of this for $20 from Amazon, but it seems demand has rizen and they're going for around $50 right now.

If you go for this course, keep in mind that it uses Kana from the beginning so you should learn the kana from somewhere else. Genki offers to take it a bit easier on you with kana, only requiring that you know them after 2 lessons.
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RE: learning.

Postby Wakannai » Mon 12.10.2007 11:55 pm

TrashTreasurer wrote:
Wakannai wrote:
Japanese for living people 3rd edition is $16. Click on the link provided.


Excuse my sarcasm, but I must ask...did they determine that the market for dead people wanting to learn japanese simply wasn't large enough B)?


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RE: learning.

Postby guitarplayer7694 » Tue 12.11.2007 12:04 am

No need to be sensitive about it just so people know. :D
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RE: learning.

Postby Wakannai » Tue 12.11.2007 12:33 am

When I was writing about Japanese for Busy People, I was also considering recommending one of Living Language's programs. Somehow they got mixed up in my head as I was writing.
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