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Re: 十二国記 discussion

Postby becki_kanou » Mon 01.26.2009 12:05 am

katafei wrote:@Gundae and Becki, is the date good for you as well?

Fine by me! I actually cheated though and read the whole thing in English first. (shock!) I read the first few pages in Japanese as well and they seemed pretty straight forward though...
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Re: 十二国記 discussion

Postby katafei » Mon 01.26.2009 4:01 am

You cheat!! :lol:

Well, I´m at work right now, so I don´t have the book at hand. But the first couple of sentences on the third page have some grammar or dialect I can´t quite pin down....
I wonder what the others think ^_^
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Re: 十二国記 discussion

Postby richvh » Mon 01.26.2009 7:19 am

The grandmother is from Kansai, which is why her speech might seem a bit strange to you.
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Re: 十二国記 discussion

Postby caroline » Thu 01.29.2009 2:05 pm


Becki wrote :
I read the first few pages in Japanese as well and they seemed pretty straight forward though...


Katafei wrote :
First 2 pages went okay, but the second 2 have some difficult (for me, anyways) sentences.


Why does that make me nervous ? :mrgreen:
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Re: 十二国記 discussion

Postby richvh » Thu 01.29.2009 8:45 pm

I think this is the paragraph that's causing katafei headaches:
(子供がこれくらいの雪で風邪なんか引くわけないわ。正直に謝るまで、おうちの中には入れへんからね)


Other than the へん negative verb ending, it's all standard Japanese; which parts do you find confusing?
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Re: 十二国記 discussion

Postby Gundaetiapo » Thu 01.29.2009 10:37 pm

今日届きました、正しい本は。 :) 二月十五日はいいです。

二十国記のBookGroupのための新しいスレッドを立てる気がするけど、もう多くのポストがこのスレッドにあります。乗りかかった舟かもしれませんね。
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Re: 十二国記 discussion

Postby richvh » Thu 01.29.2009 11:02 pm

I can split the thread if you guys want a separate thread for discussing the book.
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Re: 十二国記 discussion

Postby becki_kanou » Fri 01.30.2009 11:33 pm

richvh wrote:I can split the thread if you guys want a separate thread for discussing the book.


That sounds like a good idea to me.
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Re: 十二国記 discussion

Postby richvh » Sat 01.31.2009 12:39 am

Ok, I think I got all, or at least most, of the relevant posts.
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Re: 十二国記 discussion

Postby ss » Sat 01.31.2009 2:51 am

Thank you very much, uncle Rich.
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Re: 十二国記 discussion

Postby katafei » Wed 02.04.2009 6:20 pm

So, I hope it's not alzheimer kicking in.....but I seem to have lost a bit of thread here.
Or did we start a fresh one?

anyway, maybe jumping the gun a bit, but I'm having trouble understanding this sentence:
狭い隙間に落ち込んだ野球ボールが取れなくて、弟が泣いたのは昨日のことだ。
page 12 last paragraph
Maybe it's due to the fact I don't quite have a full picture of what is being said in the prologue (i'm reading on word level right now, with some time intervals....)

Is it:
'It is the baseball that was dropped into the thin crack (of the wall) and could not be reached, and that my little brother cried about yesterday'
?
は昨日のことだ
this part is really tripping me.
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Re: 十二国記 discussion

Postby richvh » Wed 02.04.2009 8:27 pm

This is the thread you were looking for.

昨日のことだった - it was (a matter of) yesterday

What was a matter of yesterday? That's what the rest of the sentence explains - that a baseball had dropped into the narrow crack (which is between the garden wall and the shed, by the way) and couldn't be reached, and his little brother cried.

Follow the particles - the basic sentence pattern here is AはBだった, with A being 狭い隅着に落ち込んだ野球ボールが取れなくて、弟が泣いた (nominalized by の) and B being 昨日のこと.
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Re: 十二国記 discussion

Postby Gundaetiapo » Wed 02.04.2009 9:54 pm

I got the impression that the 隙間 was more of a gap than a crack; a circumstance of how it was built. Not sure if I have that right.

I thought I would also plant this grammar here for others, from the Space ALC:

# AをBと受け止める
take A as B
# …を~と受け取る
make ~ of

It helped me with a rather complex sentence at the end of page 15.
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Re: 十二国記 discussion

Postby richvh » Wed 02.04.2009 10:07 pm

Gundaetiapo wrote:I got the impression that the 隙間 was more of a gap than a crack; a circumstance of how it was built. Not sure if I have that right.


Precisely - the shed was built so close to the wall that a baseball could fit in the gap, but a child couldn't squeeze his way in and retrieve the ball. And yet, those white arms are reaching out from the gap and beckoning to him...
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Re: 十二国記 discussion

Postby ss » Wed 02.04.2009 11:13 pm

Page 9, 3rd line ....
北の中庭だった。
狭い庭の隅には、使わなくなつて久しい土蔵が建っている。土壁に入った亀裂が寒々しい。
三方を母屋と蔵に、もう一方を土塀に囲まれていたが、風のないただ寒いばかりのこの時、それらはほとんど恩恵をもたらさなかった。

Page 12, 4th line ...
彼は蔵の脇まで目をやって、それからきょとんと瞬きをした。

Was he looking towards the 蔵 which was introduced in page 9 as per above?


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