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RE: My English Teacher Uses “Puritan Literature” as a Pr

Postby HeyItsMatt » Tue 05.15.2007 6:08 pm

two_heads_talking wrote:
I find it ironic that people are naive enough to think that seperation of church and state is the complete denial of christian/pagan interaction in literature. are we that closed minded that the only thing we can speak of in class is only grammar and vocabulary? that we cannot even listen to how such literature came about..

I say two cheers for the teacher that has the nuts to stand up and be able to speak with as much freedom as you claim you have, yet won't let your teacher have..

I won't get on a rant about how misinterpreted the "seperation of church and state" and the "right to free speech" has become, but, frankly that you as a student, should show as much respect as you claim you deserve to the person who is trying to enlighten you mud filled brain casing.


Just to play the devil's advocate (har har) I think that the original poster was saying that the teacher was using a legitimate topic (puritan literature/history) as an avenue for proselytizing (basically the distinction between a public school teaching religion and preaching religion). Of course, I assumed char was being honest with my first response, but perhaps he is giving us a fairly biased account - I guess there's no way to know that.
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RE: My English Teacher Uses “Puritan Literature” as a Pr

Postby Mike Cash » Wed 05.16.2007 8:00 am

Matt, could you please correct the "hay guys" error in your avatar. Pretty please?
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RE: My English Teacher Uses “Puritan Literature” as a Pr

Postby two_heads_talking » Wed 05.16.2007 10:01 am

HeyItsMatt wrote:


Just to play the devil's advocate (har har) I think that the original poster was saying that the teacher was using a legitimate topic (puritan literature/history) as an avenue for proselytizing (basically the distinction between a public school teaching religion and preaching religion). Of course, I assumed char was being honest with my first response, but perhaps he is giving us a fairly biased account - I guess there's no way to know that.


you can play devil's advocate all day long.. and that proves the point.. putting whipcream on a pile of crap and stirring the pot doesn't make the crap any better.. it's still crap.

and there are 3 sides to every story.. your side, my side and the truth.. I guarantee the OP was biased an clearly not giving us the whole truth.. and therein lies my point..
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RE: My English Teacher Uses “Puritan Literature” as a Pr

Postby saraLynne » Wed 05.16.2007 11:44 am

Mike Cash wrote:
Matt, could you please correct the "hay guys" error in your avatar. Pretty please?


It's... not exactly an error, unfortunately. It's supposedly part of the charm of those sorts of cat pictures. There's even a term for them: LOL cat Macros

One of the most popular ones says "I can has cheezburger?".

Have a look at some more HERE.

Just be warned it may drive you to gouge your eyes out. The cats are (usually) cute. The text -- not so much.
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RE: My English Teacher Uses “Puritan Literature” as a Pr

Postby charizardpal » Wed 05.16.2007 6:43 pm

two_heads_talking: Ha-ha :p, can anyone ever observe anything in the world and report it back without putting in some 'bias' or distortion of the truth? Language isn't absolute-is that apple on the table truly the shade of red, or is it half-red and half-gray? You'll just have to accept that I related the story as best as my language allowed me. (Although I did want to paint the picture.) If you're going to pour over my words looking for some indicative bias, that's your choice and I'll be amused by what you find. The only bias you'll find is that written in the 8th post, or in my assumptions that the teacher was preaching and the guy sitting next to me felt irritated.

Anyway there were other sections in that text book which were never addressed. I don't remember there being anything written during or after the civil war was addressed actually (except for the Crucible). To indulge your curiousity, the other short stories our class read were the Scarlet Letter, Dr. Heidegger's Experiment (both written by the same author), and an Occurrence on Owl Creek Bridge. (These are the titles I can remember the titles of, in addition to a poem by a Puritan about the joy she felt watching her home go up in flames knowing this life was but ephermal, and a hell and damnation sermon by an alledgedly famous early 19th century preacher.)

We read no Shakesphere during this class, and as you can see all of the literature we read was written by or about the puritans.

I feel that his decision to emphasize this period was part of a larger agenda to teach the class about morals, and specifically about Christianity. The teacher was the advisor to a community service club (Amnesty International), and he often did take the opportunities that literature presents to give us moral guidance. For instance, with the Scarlet Letter he told us that the reason flirting is bad is because it it entices people to want what they cannot have. He would also ask us questions and then when no one answered them word for word, he'd answer them rather like, "People try to move away from pain, and move toward pleasure." At one point someone asked him if he was Christian and he replied with some Kings James quotation, "hark unto you belivers..." or something...I honestly can't remember what words he used, and I think he probably used the word "Thou."

I also remember an aethist on the other side of the classroom who would sometimes get to arguing with him....although at the year's end he told the teacher in class that he respected him as the only English teacher that actually taught in the school. Actually I liked the guy because I one time had brought a Charmander doll to school and the teacher confinscated it and set it behind his desk on the other side of the room. Later, when the teacher was facing the other direction and distracted, the guy took the doll and pitched it to me from across the room! Man that guy was cool, he was in drama class and had taken Japanese 2, too.


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Yeah, I used to attract a lot of attention in that class! ;) I had a stack of index note cards from my Chemistry class and I would stack them on the desk as tall as I could without them falling down. Usually I'd hide them behind my binder and the Indian guy next to me would help out. We'd also balance pens and pencils onto of one another, making the teacher really annoyed when he found out we weren't paying full attention. It was a lot of fun and I actually starting hanging out with the guy in the science room the year after it happened.

Sometimes the teacher asked us to take notes while often repeating his points or lectures due to old age. I'd boredly make eye-contact with him while moving my pen-hand over the paper. Then the guy would get annoyed and come over to see if I could actually write while looking at him, and he'd find what I'd written to be legible. One time, over the course of an hour I sketched a picture of Master Chief from the video game Halo riding a Warthog car over a cliff. He got annoyed while the guy next to me said, "Wow! That's really good! You even got the shading and the tires...." Then the professor snapped, "Don't encourage him!"

Meanwhile there was a Korean guy to his left who was always deliberately falling out of chair, and another Korean guy on my right who was probably gay that often took bathroom breaks for the entire hour. One time he brushed into me at lunch and knew to the answers on the make-up scantron test. I told him, "I don't know! I don't memorize the test questions!" He sulked off and got a C afterwards.

Beside him was girl who was running for the student class president. During lunch I went up to vote, (randomly since I really didn't know the canidates), and she was standing beside the polling station. She actually came up to my side, called me by name and asked me to vote for her, and then brushed her breasts against my arm and stepped back to watch me. I voted, and the next year I found out that she had won the class presidency.

Actually, I'm fond of remembering that class. I pulled off some cool stuff. Even though didn't like the way we were patronized, that was the funnest class I took in High School.
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RE: My English Teacher Uses “Puritan Literature” as a Pr

Postby HeyItsMatt » Wed 05.16.2007 8:32 pm

Mike Cash wrote:
Matt, could you please correct the "hay guys" error in your avatar. Pretty please?


I didn't make the picture - I think the misspelled text was basically to add to the unsettling nature of the human-faced cat.

However, since I've had that one for a while, just for you I have changed my avatar to a squirrel covering his face in shame. Or exasperation. Your choice.
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RE: My English Teacher Uses “Puritan Literature” as a Pr

Postby Infidel » Wed 05.16.2007 8:45 pm

dude, cool avatar.
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RE: My English Teacher Uses “Puritan Literature” as a Pr

Postby two_heads_talking » Thu 05.17.2007 11:33 am

charizardpal wrote:
two_heads_talking: Ha-ha :p, can anyone ever observe anything in the world and report it back without putting in some 'bias' or distortion of the truth? Language isn't absolute-is that apple on the table truly the shade of red, or is it half-red and half-gray?


I STOPPED paying attention right there and started scribbling in my notebook because your wall of text was all over the place.. everyone has stories about classclowns, antics, the guy who farted in class. etc.. but leave that highschool stuff in highschool, it's irrelevant to TJP.com and especially irrelavant to japanese..

your argument is full of holes anyways.. are we debating shades of truth? I doubt it.. there is only one truth.. everything else is an unproven.. you really should go back and read your books instead of ragging on your teacher.. really.. education is so short and it looks like you spent your time wasting what little was being taught..

like my remarks or not, they are what they are.. maybe, instead of kicking against the establishment, you might just learn something from what I and others have said.. anyways. carry on..
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RE: My English Teacher Uses “Puritan Literature” as a Pr

Postby charizardpal » Thu 05.17.2007 4:49 pm

Acknowledges post. :p
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