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Postby coco » Thu 02.09.2006 6:45 pm

Should the mails from Japanese friend be translated on the BBS as the learning materials ? Let me hear your opinions.
Thanks.

日本人の友人からの私信を、学習教材替わりにウェブ上で公開し、翻訳を求めることに問題はありませんか? ご意見、お聞かせ願います。
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RE: private mails as a learning materials?

Postby mandolin » Thu 02.09.2006 9:01 pm

No, it kinda bugs me, too. Though e-mails don't usually have anything really personal in them, I wouldn't like it if I found mine posted somewhere. If they ask first, sure, so I know it's happening...

I don't know. I don't see any reason to ban it from the board, because you never know if it's something they got permission to do (and even if they don't have permission, they could still lie).

I'm both sides of the fence on the issue.... but as long as I'm not the one being rude to my friends, it's not my business. It's the other guy who is going to cause serious offense to someone eventually and then they'll realize they were being insensitive. *shrug*
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RE: private mails as learning materials?

Postby Sachi » Thu 02.09.2006 9:16 pm

I feel bad, coco, because I know I did that :-( My reason is not as a “learning material”, though. I just wanted to understand what my new penpal was saying to me, and I really didn’t want to blow her off. On the bright side, I’m getting a teensy bit better at understanding, so I won’t post another e-mail again. If it were me, I have to admit, I wouldn’t feel that bad, because I know English is hard. So, if she needed help understanding, I wouldn’t mind her asking for it. (I do try to talk in Japanese, though).

I’m with mandolin, I guess; that is, on both sides. If someone was being really rude and uncaring about his or her friend’s message, I wouldn’t like it. But if it was someone in need of help understanding because of the language barrier, I could totally understand (it happened to me, after all). It depends on each situation, I guess.
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RE: private mails as learning materials?

Postby ss » Fri 02.10.2006 1:11 am

Please don’t feel bad Sachi, you are not the pioneer after all, guess there are people who had did that before you. Everyone learns thru experiences. 經一事,長一智 ;)
Since coco had pointed out that, it’s rather a good reminder for everyone for fear that massive translations are requested in this aspect, which I think it’s not appropriate in some circumstances. In my opinion, any private mail from friends regardless of any race/languages shouldn’t be disclosed, especially being treated as learning materials on the web!

To me, this question concerns more on relationship rather than just learning languages…….. Ermm….. When there’s a will, there’s a way. The best way is to be frank & sincere to ask the sender himself/herself about the messages, this really shows how you cherish the good relationship.
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RE: private mails as learning materials?

Postby amego » Fri 02.10.2006 12:57 pm

I was at the other forum (a Chinese one) the other time and there was this non-Chinese guy who posted his entire Chinese loveletter from his Chinese girlfriend, for the entire world to see. It was a very sad and touching one, and absolutely personal. Well he said that his girlfriend didn't want to translate for him, leaving him without much options. So should he have kept quiet and let his girlfriend's words be a mystery and causing misunderstandings, or should he consult some help from strangers (with the slim chance of them knowing him) to let him understand his girlfriend love for him?

I think the girlfriend will understand. Its just a matter of how you look at it. :D

Its a case of mind over matter.

If you don't mind, it doesn't matter.
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RE: private mails as learning materials?

Postby Txkun » Fri 02.10.2006 5:33 pm

Shirley Sia wrote:
In my opinion, any private mail from friends regardless of any race/languages shouldn’t be disclosed, especially being treated as learning materials on the web!

To me, this question concerns more on relationship rather than just learning languages…….. Ermm….. When there’s a will, there’s a way. The best way is to be frank & sincere to ask the sender himself/herself about the messages, this really shows how you cherish the good relationship.

Agree 110%. And if you really can't or don't want to ask to the sender I would ask help to ONE good friend I can trust via a PM.
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RE: private mails as learning materials?

Postby coco » Sun 02.12.2006 5:15 am

Thanks for posting your opinions.
I should have mentioned that I don't mean to blame a particular person. Since TJP members increase everyday, it would happen anytime.

In my opinion, any private mail from friends regardless of any race/languages shouldn’t be disclosed, especially being treated as learning materials on the web!

My thoughts exactly!! I thought if nobody gives someone a few words of warning about it, there is a probability to be impossible to restrain.

Administrators, are there any opinions ?
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RE: private mails as learning materials?

Postby Takeo Saeki » Sun 02.12.2006 5:54 am

This is why I want to learn more Japanese before getting a Japanese pen pal. To avoid awkward situations like the one on this thread (no offense to Sachi or anyone else). :| Conversations like this depress me, as I once did something similar to this. Unintentionally, yes, but there was damage done because of it. That's all i'm going to say....
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RE: private mails as learning materials?

Postby hamsterfreak4evr » Tue 02.21.2006 12:10 am

perhaps if you only need a phrase or a sentence translated, it would be alright. maybe you should ask you penpal if they dont mind..?;)
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RE: private mails as learning materials?

Postby Takeo Saeki » Tue 02.21.2006 12:20 am

hamsterfreak4evr wrote:
perhaps if you only need a phrase or a sentence translated, it would be alright. maybe you should ask you penpal if they dont mind..?;)


Exactly.
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RE: private mails as learning materials?

Postby hamsterfreak4evr » Tue 02.21.2006 1:07 am

the way i see it (and alot of ppl probably do), its not showing other ppl what your penpal said or being a hotshot (ie, "look at what my japanese girlfriend wrote to me!!"), its just asking what they said.

but please...censor it.
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RE: private mails as learning materials?

Postby coco » Sat 04.15.2006 9:19 pm

I really hate this kind of question
I created this thread when Jose100 posted this thread

さっちゃん。see? not because of you. I knew you already understood what I said on the thread. According to the profile that guy is 38years old. Unbelievable!!


本当にこういうヤツには「カシオの翻訳機でも買え!」 と言いたい。:@
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RE: private mails as learning materials?

Postby ashitaka » Sat 12.16.2006 8:47 pm

Ok........That Jose guy is strange, for studying japanese for years he doesn't seem to know much of it.
the way i see it (and alot of ppl probably do), its not showing other ppl what your penpal said or being a hotshot (ie, "look at what my japanese girlfriend wrote to me!!"), its just asking what they said.

but please...censor it.

Oh Jose is in an perfect relationship, his girlfriend talks to him, he runs home and asks us what she said. It will be an interesting wedding, and if they have kids we can tell him what they said as well.
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RE: private mails as learning materials?

Postby tanuki » Sat 12.16.2006 9:11 pm

Another pointless thread revival, who would've imagined? ;)

Mr. Jose doesn't come to this forum since April 16th.
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RE: private mails as learning materials?

Postby ashitaka » Sun 12.17.2006 12:25 am

I should have checked, sorry. I thought it was new sence it was the only thread in the comments section.
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