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Pronounciation of 円 (en) Yen

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RE: Pronounciation of 円 (en) Yen

Postby AJBryant » Tue 04.03.2007 4:57 pm

For whatever reason, the first 6 out of 7 examples in the book that use the word 千 also use san, or sanzengohyaku.


Gotta make a correction here... it isn't "also san" -- the "san" is THREE.

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RE: Pronounciation of 円 (en) Yen

Postby Yudan Taiteki » Tue 04.03.2007 5:34 pm

In some areas of Japan you can still hear a "y" sound before "e", but it's not as common as other pronunciation variants (i.e. pronouncing を as "wo").
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RE: Pronounciation of 円 (en) Yen

Postby two_heads_talking » Wed 04.04.2007 10:09 am

keatonatron wrote:
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Where did you get that info Keat?


I originally thought the same thing, that the two words were linked, and wondered why the n exists in one but not the other, so about a year ago I looked it up:

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=typhoon


thanks for the link.. that is very interesting..
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RE: Pronounciation of 円 (en) Yen

Postby Scavengist » Wed 04.04.2007 12:03 pm

Hang on, Yebisu? Ok, but I see it written with the "we" character. ヱビス. What does the Ye character look like? Were there also other characters like "wu" and "yi"?
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RE: Pronounciation of 円 (en) Yen

Postby Yudan Taiteki » Wed 04.04.2007 12:55 pm

As far as I know there was never a codified kana symbol for "ye", but certain kanji were used for the sound back in the days of man'yoo-gana and beyond. "wu" and "yi" are the same way; the syllables existed at one time in Japanese but there were no fixed kana for them.
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RE: Pronounciation of 円 (en) Yen

Postby Shirasagi » Wed 04.04.2007 1:40 pm

I think Keatonatron was mistaken. The kana for "ye" in Yebisu (and the hiragana version for "en") is indeed "we", not "ye".  I imagine that both are just Meiji-era romaji holdovers, and not actually representing the characters used to write the words in Japanese.
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RE: Pronounciation of 円 (en) Yen

Postby Infidel » Wed 04.04.2007 8:03 pm

I do know that one of the rules of romanization way back when was that all words starting with E were romanized Ye. That's why you will find Edo called Yedo in some older documents.

I'd guess that it was a Portugese romanization rule.
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