Do i need to learn both?

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Do i need to learn both?

Post by kelvinwong » Sun 07.29.2007 11:46 am

Hi all, I'm new to this forum so a big HI to all of you. During my self study a question came into my mind, do i need to learn both Hiragana and Katakana? I started on Hiragana and now on はひふへほ ha..


thanks for any advice

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RE: Do i need to learn both?

Post by Infidel » Sun 07.29.2007 11:57 am

Do you need to learn both capital and lower case letters to read english?
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RE: Do i need to learn both?

Post by stevie » Sun 07.29.2007 12:04 pm

Yes, absolutely learn both. And read up some on how they are generally used, for good measure.

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RE: Do i need to learn both?

Post by kelvinwong » Sun 07.29.2007 12:05 pm

I guess it depends if everything is written in capital or not eh? ;)

guess that's a yes for both.

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RE: Do i need to learn both?

Post by lbum » Sun 07.29.2007 1:22 pm

It is important to know Capital letter since it adds to a sentence depending on where they are at. And depending on why you want to learn Japanese it will help, more knowledge helps you and normally does not hurt you at all, it might take longer but it will be good in the long run.

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RE: Do i need to learn both?

Post by stevie » Sun 07.29.2007 2:00 pm

Well the time taken to learn hiragana and katakana is absolutely negligible compared to the time it will take to learn the rest of the language: we're talking thousands of words, hundreds of grammar points and using them to form sentences in your mind (personally what I have most trouble with so far) - oh yeah, also consider thousands of kanji needed to read and write those thousands of words mentioned earlier, as well as learning how to speak, and how to pick up spoken words and phrases, how to use idioms, etc.

Assuming you want to go the whole way. I find it best not to look for shortcuts - just keep studying.

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RE: Do i need to learn both?

Post by Tesu » Wed 08.01.2007 4:26 am

stevie wrote:
Well the time taken to learn hiragana and katakana is absolutely negligible compared to the time it will take to learn the rest of the language: we're talking thousands of words, hundreds of grammar points and using them to form sentences in your mind (personally what I have most trouble with so far) - oh yeah, also consider thousands of kanji needed to read and write those thousands of words mentioned earlier, as well as learning how to speak, and how to pick up spoken words and phrases, how to use idioms, etc.

Assuming you want to go the whole way. I find it best not to look for shortcuts - just keep studying.
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And if you do ever come to Japan, being able to read Katakana is a *huge* help (particularly when reading food menus)

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RE: Do i need to learn both?

Post by spin13 » Wed 08.01.2007 9:51 am

lbum wrote:
ひらがな/hiragana=46
カタカナ/katakana=30
肝心/kanji=3
I think you've got a problem here. I believe 幹事 is what you're looking for.

Oh, ok...fine, this isn't a tattoo thread. 漢字 - Chinese characters.

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RE: Do i need to learn both?

Post by Supaiku » Thu 08.02.2007 1:07 pm

Both hiragana and katakana are absolutely, 100% necessary for learning Japanese. Even alot of kanji is necessary, even if you are a beginner. About all of the Level 4 Kanji I see daily while studying.
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RE: Do i need to learn both?

Post by Tspoonami » Thu 08.02.2007 1:25 pm

spin13 wrote:
I think you've got a problem here. I believe 幹事 is what you're looking for.

Oh, ok...fine, this isn't a tattoo thread. 漢字 - Chinese characters.
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RE: Do i need to learn both?

Post by Kenitai » Thu 08.02.2007 9:24 pm

Katakana is mostly (only?) used for foreign imported words in Japanese, right? Or not only?

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RE: Do i need to learn both?

Post by chikara » Thu 08.02.2007 9:45 pm

Katakana is mostly used for foreign/imported/borrowed words but sometimes native Japanese words are written in katakana for emphasis. Similar to writing in all capitals in English.
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RE: Do i need to learn both?

Post by Dehitay » Thu 08.02.2007 10:12 pm

What confuses me is that katakana is used for animals and plants. Otherwise, it's mostly used for sounds. Foreign words aren't in Japan's original vocabulary so they take the sounds and spell it with katakana. Noises such as onomatopoeia are also usually spelled in katakana. In manga, when they want to stress the way a word is said, they use katakana on what would normally be hiragana.
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RE: Do i need to learn both?

Post by Krysta » Sun 08.05.2007 1:20 pm

I'm going to study Japanese for 4 years in school starting September and my teacher already said that in the first week we are expected to learn Hiragana by heart and Katakana in the second week before even starting on the Kanji.
So to answer your question: Most definitly

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RE: Do i need to learn both?

Post by Hatori » Sun 08.05.2007 3:13 pm

You need to know all of the kana to understand what you're reading. Katakana is sort of used for names of people and places while hiragana is sort of everyday writing. Plus there's the need of kanji to shorten things and make total n00bs feel like they're going to die. ;) :D
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