A great way to learn kanji

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Ferio
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A great way to learn kanji

Post by Ferio » Sun 10.07.2007 1:16 pm

Hi minnasan! =D
I just found out a great page for kanji stroke/meaning learning!

Its here http://www.yamasa.cc/members/ocjs/kanji ... e?OpenForm and the special thing of this one is that when you search for a kanji, it shows three pictures:
-One for the kanji (static).
-One for the animated kanji with the order of strokes.
-One for a daily-form kanji. This one is useful if you want to understand what japanese people write, because some of the nihonjin(most of them, actually :P) don't write it in the "dictionary" form. It takes so much time XD

As for the kanji dictionary, it has also this options:
-ON and kun reading
-Meaning of the kanji in your language
-Joyo grade and trace count
-Kanji, radicals, words (I haven't used this one, so I don't kno what it is XP)

Also, they have this features:
-A normal dictionary
-"Search by Kanji" option
-Kanji + words that begin with it
-Kanji + words that contain it
-Kanji advanced search
-Kanji link generator (have not used)
-Search by word (Japanese/Your Language)

The languages you can choose are:
1. English
2. Spanish
3. Korean
4. Chinese

And I think they're all of them :P

Well, I hope it helps :)
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RE: A great way to learn kanji

Post by SirFirestorm » Sun 10.07.2007 1:18 pm

This one is useful if you want to understand what japanese people write, because some of the nihonjin(most of them, actually ) don't write it in the "dictionary" form. It takes so much time XD
oh my.

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Post by Xurma » Sun 10.07.2007 2:50 pm

No good.

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Post by queshaw » Sun 10.07.2007 4:38 pm

Thanks. That looks nifty.

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RE: A great way to learn kanji

Post by Yudan Taiteki » Sun 10.07.2007 5:20 pm

SirFirestorm wrote:
This one is useful if you want to understand what japanese people write, because some of the nihonjin(most of them, actually ) don't write it in the "dictionary" form. It takes so much time XD
oh my.
I'm not sure what your response was intended to mean, but the original poster is completely right about this. The standard handwriting of native speakers is quite hard to interpret because of the "cursive" way they write the kanji.
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Post by SirFirestorm » Sun 10.07.2007 6:37 pm

What I meant was I have never seen that feature on any other site. I guess it could be useful if you were exchanging handwritten letters with a person overestimating your reading ability. Chinese people do it too, you gotta figure it out by the shape and maybe stroke order I guess.

Navigating that site isnt so easy either, it is defaulted to korean and I cant figure how to turn it into english.

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Post by sushi4ever » Mon 10.08.2007 7:17 am

SirFirestorm wrote:
Navigating that site isnt so easy either, it is defaulted to korean and I cant figure how to turn it into english.
weird, i clicked on the link and it was all in english O.o

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RE: A great way to learn kanji

Post by Ferio » Mon 10.08.2007 2:26 pm

Gomen >_< I posted the direct link... if you have problems with language you can enter this one instead =D after choosing the language it will take you to another page. The link to the dictionary is at the end.
http://www.yamasa.org/ocjs/kanjijiten/index.html
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Post by hungryhotei » Mon 10.08.2007 3:32 pm

Yudan Taiteki wrote:
SirFirestorm wrote:
This one is useful if you want to understand what japanese people write, because some of the nihonjin(most of them, actually ) don't write it in the "dictionary" form. It takes so much time XD
oh my.
I'm not sure what your response was intended to mean, but the original poster is completely right about this. The standard handwriting of native speakers is quite hard to interpret because of the "cursive" way they write the kanji.
It's surprising that so little emphasis is placed on reading or writing handwritten styles in most other kanji dictionaries and workbooks.
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Post by Shirasagi » Mon 10.08.2007 5:58 pm

Yudan Taiteki wrote:
SirFirestorm wrote:
This one is useful if you want to understand what japanese people write, because some of the nihonjin(most of them, actually ) don't write it in the "dictionary" form. It takes so much time XD
oh my.
I'm not sure what your response was intended to mean, but the original poster is completely right about this. The standard handwriting of native speakers is quite hard to interpret because of the "cursive" way they write the kanji.
I recall Mike Cash posted an excellent example of this over on sci.lang.japan some time back.
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RE: A great way to learn kanji

Post by Yudan Taiteki » Mon 10.08.2007 6:49 pm

I assume it's not in kanji dictionaries or textbooks because the individual writing style varies so much.

There is a textbook about reading handwritten Japanese, though.
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RE: A great way to learn kanji

Post by Infidel » Tue 10.09.2007 6:13 am

kanji alive uses handwritten movie images in addition to pictures of the standard font. It also has waves of most standard words. Pretty good resource.

an introduction to written japanese also uses handwritten samples.
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RE: A great way to learn kanji

Post by ThePacster » Thu 10.11.2007 7:07 pm

After seeing this, I had to make a comment about the handwritten kanji to get some feedback from others who may be more in the know.

I discovered the Yamasa database some time ago and have been using it to practice the stroke orders, but looking at the handwritten examples left me confused. So, I asked my teacher about it to see what she'd say (this was back in spring semester).

At first she didn't know what I was talking about, but after I vaguely began to draw a kanji I remembered seeing, she explained to me that kanji written like that is of a particular script (whose name I can't remember). She went on to say that although people do write that way, its mostly older people who write this way, and its becoming much more common to see it written as something like in kanji alive

http://kanjialive.lib.uchicago.edu/i/qi2.gif

versus

http://www.yamasa.cc/members/ocjs/kanji ... 541_hw.gif

And just for the record, my teacher isn't a teacher persay, but more of a student tutor. For the Japanese classes at my school, they select students who were raised in Japan and are fluent in the language. After her explaining that to me it sort of made sense since all the kanji she wrote in class were written similar to that of kanji alive, as well as my new teacher (student tutor) this semester.

Anyone else heard something similar?
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RE: A great way to learn kanji

Post by Ferio » Fri 10.19.2007 3:02 pm

I just visited my japanese friend HIDEKOsan xD and i asked about how she draws the SHIRO (castle) kanji... she just came up with a handwriten version just like it was in the page i posted here =P just took her about 3 seconds to draw it X__X

So i guess both of the forms are still used o.o
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