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Postby khan » Tue 10.09.2007 11:37 am

i have a question about 開く.
i don't know how to differentiate it in term of reading it, あく and ひらく.
eg:
ドアを開く
and
手帳を開く
how can i know whether it is read as あく or ひらく.

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RE: 開く

Postby aurore » Tue 10.09.2007 11:48 am

hi,
Most of the time, when I see "hiraku" it means open in the sense "declaring an event open" for exemple. These times, it means open in a figurative way.

I hope it is clear (and true ;))
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RE: 開く

Postby two_heads_talking » Tue 10.09.2007 12:30 pm

khan, as your sentence imply, it's all about context. once you understand the context and the appropriate kanji for that situation, then it will dictate future use as well.
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RE: 開く

Postby richvh » Tue 10.09.2007 12:43 pm

開く(あく) is intransitive while 開く(ひらく) is transitive, so if you see 何々を開く you know it is ひらく, not あく.
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RE: 開く

Postby aurore » Tue 10.09.2007 1:03 pm

but "あける" is also transitive.
so, if you see ドアを開く, it is transitive too but you read it akeru, no?
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RE: 開く

Postby NocturnalOcean » Tue 10.09.2007 1:21 pm

Since when do you read 開く akeru?
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RE: 開く

Postby aurore » Tue 10.09.2007 2:01 pm

you read "...あけく" ex: "open the door" (door being a complement) akeru is transitive.
and "...あく" "the door is open" (door being a subject) aku is intransitive.

for ひらく,
an example from my book is :
教室を 開く meanning "to organise a class"
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RE: 開く

Postby JaySee » Tue 10.09.2007 2:12 pm

I think you're making a small mistake here. The word you wrote down in kana ends in 'ku', so you can't possibly read it 'akeru' (what you wrote down in kana would be 'akeku' in roomaji.)

You have akeru and hiraku which are transitive, and then aku and hirakeru which are intransitive (hiraku can be used intransitively too though). Aku and hiraku are both written 開く, while akeru and hirakeru are both written 開ける.

As for the exact difference in nuance between akeru and hiraku, i don't know, so if anyone can clear that up for me it would be greatly appreciated here too.
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RE: 開く

Postby Infidel » Tue 10.09.2007 4:37 pm

KHAAAAAAAAAAN!

sorry. had to do it.

best bet would be to do a search for either and look at the rubi tags.
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RE: 開く

Postby khan » Thu 10.11.2007 11:17 am

Infidel wrote:
KHAAAAAAAAAAN!

sorry. had to do it.

best bet would be to do a search for either and look at the rubi tags.


really sorry for that..
well... i couldn't find it.. and what is rubi tags?

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RE: 開く

Postby two_heads_talking » Thu 10.11.2007 2:58 pm

I have no idea what a rubi tag is. My best guess is it has something to do with the number of "hits" it has recieved. I think Paul (someone who hasn't graced our presence in a bit) used to correlate number of "hits" to appropriate usage.

Anyways, I hope infidel strolls on back to explain itself ...
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RE: 開く

Postby saraLynne » Thu 10.11.2007 3:33 pm

Ruby text is the HTML equivalent to furigana. They're applied with the use of html tags < ruby >< /ruby >

I know that Internet Explorer 6 did not support ruby tags, I'm not sure about IE7. Firefox supports them currently only with the appropriate addon installed.
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RE: 開く

Postby richvh » Thu 10.11.2007 3:50 pm

Wrong - both IE 6 and 7 support ruby tags, without plugins.
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RE: 開く

Postby Harisenbon » Thu 10.11.2007 9:00 pm

richvh wrote:
開く(あく) is intransitive while 開く(ひらく) is transitive, so if you see 何々を開く you know it is ひらく, not あく.


ひらく is not necessarily transitive. On the train you often hear.
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RE: 開く

Postby richvh » Thu 10.11.2007 9:25 pm

True, but that doesn't change the fact that 何々を開く is always ひらく, not あく.
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