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ぢ/づ

Post by luky » Fri 10.19.2007 2:46 pm

i realize i started another thread minutes ago, but since this is a different question entirely...

again, i'm new at japanese, so don't assume i know anything. my question is: when do you use ぢ instead of じ, and づ instead of ず? or can i get by without ever using ぢ and づ as long as i live?

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RE: ぢ/づ

Post by Wakannai » Fri 10.19.2007 3:15 pm

It's kinda like, when do I use F or ph in English. Different ones are used for different words and you just learn them as you go along.

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RE: ぢ/づ

Post by luky » Fri 10.19.2007 3:20 pm

k. thx.

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RE: ぢ/づ

Post by aKuMu » Fri 10.19.2007 3:25 pm

Actually the only word with づ I know is つづく (to continue)

ah and 痔 which btw might be a good tattoo. (not) :o
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RE: ぢ/づ

Post by Chris Hart » Fri 10.19.2007 4:10 pm

aKuMu wrote:
Actually the only word with づ I know is つづく (to continue)

ah and 痔 which btw might be a good tattoo. (not) :o
Have you looked at Hanzismatter lately? I'm sure 痔 would fit right in. Probably with an English "translation" of nerves of steel, or something similar :D
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RE: ぢ/づ

Post by onigiri444 » Fri 10.19.2007 4:38 pm

My book says that ぢ/づ are used in compound words ぢ follows ち and づ follows つ

こ*small*+つつみ*wrapping*=こづつみ * package*
はな*nose*+ち*blood*=はなぢ nosebleed

they can also be used in verbs such as つづくI don't know any other verbs with づ and I don't no any with ぢ
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RE: ぢ/づ

Post by hungryhotei » Fri 10.19.2007 7:02 pm

How can everyone forget about 縮む?!?
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RE: ぢ/づ

Post by tōkai devotee » Fri 10.19.2007 9:54 pm

well, we're not all as smart as you, hungryさん  ;)

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RE: ぢ/づ

Post by Miyu-rin » Fri 10.19.2007 11:02 pm

How DO you pronounce ぢ anyway?? o_O I never got that...

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RE: ぢ/づ

Post by Mike Cash » Fri 10.19.2007 11:38 pm

Pronounced same as じ.

And for an example of づ being used not as part of a compound word, we need look no further than 続く (つづく)
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RE: ぢ/づ

Post by luky » Sat 10.20.2007 12:22 pm

it seems like this mike cash fella goes around dropping genius bombs on all the threads, instantly obliterating all ignorance and misunderstanding.

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RE: ぢ/づ

Post by hyperconjugated » Sat 10.20.2007 12:46 pm

Save your sarcasm, you're too green to know
anything about people who actually contribute
to these forums on regular basis.
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RE: ぢ/づ

Post by Chris Hart » Sat 10.20.2007 1:17 pm

hyperconjugated wrote:
Save your sarcasm, you're too green to know
anything about people who actually contribute
to these forums on regular basis.
I agree. Once you've "earned" about 50 posts, or so, then you will begin to understand our regular posters' position on various things.

On this forum, we have people who are native Japanese speakers, historians, linguists, students (from beginner to advanced), and occasionally people who have stopped studying the language, but still have interests in some of the other topics discussed here.
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RE: ぢ/づ

Post by luky » Sat 10.20.2007 8:49 pm

no; it wasn't sarcastic at all. i was saying that it seems like he knows what he's talking about. sorry if it looked like an insult. i'm just not into smiley emoticons, that's all.
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RE: ぢ/づ

Post by keatonatron » Sat 10.20.2007 11:44 pm

There's also 縮む (ちぢむ, to shrink) and チヂミ, a korean food.

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