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されまで

Post by kurisuto » Sun 07.05.2009 8:13 am

The other day, while reading a book, I stumbled across a strange phrase, namely "告示されまで、” (no further context, infortunately that's all I have : I usually write on a notepad the things I find strange, but I didn't even note the page where the original sentence appears). So, is it common to use the ren'youkei like that and is it different from using the rentaikei ? Can it only be used with "made", or are there other instances where it's possible ? And finally, can it be used with the active voice as well ?

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Re: されまで

Post by Yudan Taiteki » Sun 07.05.2009 8:50 am

告示され is a noun form of 告示される, I think, so まで goes after it like any other noun.
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Re: されまで

Post by kurisuto » Sun 07.05.2009 9:01 am

As simple as that ! Thank you :)

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Re: されまで

Post by keatonatron » Sun 07.05.2009 9:04 am

Just like "終わりまで" :wink:
(i.e. "until the end" instead of "until it ends")

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Re: されまで

Post by kurisuto » Sun 07.05.2009 9:49 am

Exactly ! But somehow, I was just not too comfortable with the verb being in the passive, and I still tend to be careful with the "ren'youkei = noun" thing in certain contexts (which is ridiculous, granted). Next time, I'll try to cast my doubts aside and think rationally, I promise :wink:

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Re: されまで

Post by coco » Sun 07.05.2009 10:47 am

「告示されまで」が正しいので、「されまで」はおそらく脱字だと思います。

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Re: されまで

Post by kurisuto » Sun 07.05.2009 1:12 pm

脱字ですね。ありがとうございました。 :)

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