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Where is the counter?

Postby astaroth » Wed 07.15.2009 7:11 pm

For some reasons I was wondering what is the counter for stars et similia and I remembered to have watched the dorama 空から降る一億の星 ... and I just noticed there is no counter for 星 in this sentence.
Why is it so? Are there situations when counters are not used?
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Re: Where is the counter?

Postby keatonatron » Wed 07.15.2009 7:31 pm

I'm guessing 一億 works the same as 一つ (e.g. 一つの星).

If you want a counter, 個 should work just fine (as it's kind of the universal counter for when you don't know which one to use).
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Re: Where is the counter?

Postby Yudan Taiteki » Wed 07.15.2009 7:44 pm

Above 10, counters are not necessary if the counter would be the 一つ、二つ、三つ series. In other words, いすが30あります is fine, 本が30あります I think is odd.
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Re: Where is the counter?

Postby astaroth » Thu 07.16.2009 8:53 am

Thanks, Keat and Yudan, that explains.
A quick question I thought the generic counter is つ and didn't know about 個:do they work the same? Are they interchangeable?
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Re: Where is the counter?

Postby keatonatron » Thu 07.16.2009 9:51 am

astaroth wrote:Thanks, Keat and Yudan, that explains.
A quick question I thought the generic counter is つ and didn't know about 個:do they work the same? Are they interchangeable?



uhhhhhhhh.....

I don't really know how to explain that one :?

Xつ is the traditional Japanese counter. 個 is a counter adapted from Chinese.

Kind of like how ふた(ニ) is the Japanese reading and に(ニ) is the Chinese reading yet we still use both.

個 is officially for "small objects," so for a small number of items (<10) that aren't exactly small, I would use Xつ (like for food. Is ramen a "small object"?? What about a sandwich?).

For other items that are obviously "small objects," or items over 10 that you don't know the real counter for, 個 is perhaps preferable (e.g. cell phone, stapler, rock, etc.).


Keep in mind that if a more fitting counter exists (e.g. 本 for long, skinny things, 枚 for flat things, etc.), the more appropriate counter should be used.
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Re: Where is the counter?

Postby astaroth » Fri 07.17.2009 11:05 am

Thanks, Keat.
I'd have another question though, what's the pronunciation of 個? I looked on my dictionary and found こ (though this seems to be for military units) and ち、つ、か without further explanation.
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Re: Where is the counter?

Postby yukamina » Fri 07.17.2009 11:15 am

The counter 個 is read こ. Rikaichan seems to give somewhat of a breakdown of the readings.
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