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Difference between ことになったand ことになっている?
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Difference between ことになったand ことになっている?
Uh, hi.
my textbook is teaching the ことになった and ことになっている constructions, which mean "it was decided that X does~" and "it's been decided that X does~" respectively, but i can't really see the difference between the two.
The book says that ことになった places more emphasis on the decision making. But then, in the example questions, the only difference is one word.
my textbook is teaching the ことになった and ことになっている constructions, which mean "it was decided that X does~" and "it's been decided that X does~" respectively, but i can't really see the difference between the two.
The book says that ことになった places more emphasis on the decision making. But then, in the example questions, the only difference is one word.

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MizukoHito - Posts: 3
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Re: Difference between ことになったand ことになっている?
になった sort of implies a finality, whereas っている generally refers to a continuous process. I don't imagine your book is really focusing on temporal placement quite yet judging by what you've said.
Both translations are good as translations, but don't provide good explanations for learning purposes. Think of it this way- in English, hearing "it was decided" sounds like something that happened a while ago that can't be changed (court decisions, maybe?), but "it's been decided" is generally said if it's just been decided (i.e., "It's been decided, we're painting it blue. Any objections?").
Hope that clears it up, but there might be another nuance your book is going for that I've missed. If any native speakers/seasoned veterans have anything to add, do it by all means.
Both translations are good as translations, but don't provide good explanations for learning purposes. Think of it this way- in English, hearing "it was decided" sounds like something that happened a while ago that can't be changed (court decisions, maybe?), but "it's been decided" is generally said if it's just been decided (i.e., "It's been decided, we're painting it blue. Any objections?").
Hope that clears it up, but there might be another nuance your book is going for that I've missed. If any native speakers/seasoned veterans have anything to add, do it by all means.

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SomeStupidName - Posts: 5
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Re: Difference between ことになったand ことになっている?
MizukoHito wrote:the ことになった and ことになっている constructions, which mean "it was decided that X does~" and "it's been decided that X does~" respectively
While that seems to be true, I disagree with the implication thatSomeStupidName wrote:"it was decided" sounds like something that happened a while ago that can't be changed (court decisions, maybe?), but "it's been decided" is generally said if it's just been decided
ことになった happened a while ago
ことになっている just happened
In fact I think it's the opposite. ことになった indicates the change (or decision) was just made; ことになっている indicates that we're in an ongoing state of things having been this way (for some time).
Am I disagreeing with the book here?

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Hyperworm - Posts: 493
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Re: Difference between ことになったand ことになっている?
Yeah, I think you two are right about ことになっている meaning an ongoing or continuous process. It kind of makes sense, since my book also says that it's used when talking about traditions and common practices, etc.Like:
日本では、家に入る時、くつをぬぐことになっています。
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MizukoHito - Posts: 3
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Re: Difference between ことになったand ことになっている?
If its helpful, I think of ことになっている as making something become 'customary'. As a result of it being decided in the past (ことになった)it has now become customary (ことになっている)
Spend less time thinking, and more time doing.
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squarezebra - Posts: 117
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Re: Difference between ことになったand ことになっている?
Oh, I see! The does make sense. Thanks for the help, everyone 

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