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Postby EmilyBean » Wed 11.02.2005 9:52 pm

how to form it.. when to use it..
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RE: te form

Postby Infidel » Wed 11.02.2005 10:05 pm

te form is a conjugation that depends on the verb. Best to look it up on the verb charts until you get the hang of it.

one use is before other verbs.
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RE: te form

Postby Harisenbon » Thu 11.03.2005 3:59 am

There is an article on how to make the te form in the grammar section.

http://thejapanesepage.com/readarticle.php?article_id=160#q1

Hope that helps. =)
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RE: te form

Postby roomwithamoose » Sun 11.06.2005 3:28 pm

Group 1 (Godan):
(1) Verb ending with ~ ku:
replace ~ ku with ~ ite
(2) Verb ending with ~ gu:
replace ~ gu with ~ ide
(3) Verb ending with ~ u, ~tsu and ~ ru:
replace them with ~ tte
(4) Verb ending with ~ nu, ~bu
and ~ mu:
replace them with ~ nde
(5) Verb ending with ~ su:
replace ~ su with ~ shite

Group 2 (Ichidan):
Take off ~ru, and add ~ te

Group 3 (Irregular):
kuru --- kite, suru ---shite

Also, remember that iku (to go) conjugates irregularly in its -te form. Instead of ite, it becomes itte. I had a nice table coded in HTML with examples on this, but when I posted it, it only displayed the HTML code and not the table itself :(.
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RE: te form

Postby Zhengpeng » Tue 11.15.2005 7:04 am

Is there a negative version of this form? So, how do you say: Don't eat.....
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RE: te form

Postby richvh » Tue 11.15.2005 9:31 am

Godan verbs:
1) ending in -u
change -u to -wa and add -nakute
2) ending in -tsu
change -tsu to -ta and add -nakute
3) ending in -ku, -gu, -su, -bu, -mu, nu, ru, (did I miss any?)
change -u to -a and add -nakute
Exception:
aru becomes nakute

Ichidan verbs:
drop -ru and add -nakute

Irregular verbs:
kuru -> konakute
suru -> shinakute
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RE: te form

Postby Harisenbon » Tue 11.15.2005 7:42 pm

The negative て form is made by using the negative form of the verb, and then adding で (not て)

食べないで
行かないで
来ないで
忘れないで
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RE: te form

Postby richvh » Tue 11.15.2005 9:51 pm

Actually, my grammar text (which is somewhat old, being originally written in 1937 and last revised in 1980) says that you can form the negative -te form three ways: simple stem for ichidan verbs or -a stem of godan verbs plus one of: nakute, nai de, or zu ni.

(Ref: Vaccari, Oreste and Mrs. Enko Elisa Vaccari, "Complete Course of Japanese Conversation-Grammar", 26th edition (Tokyo, 1980), p. 167)
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RE: te form

Postby Harisenbon » Tue 11.15.2005 10:04 pm

〜ずに
〜なくて
〜ないで
are all similar phrases which mean to "not do," but in my opinion they are different conjugations. ずに while having the same meaning as ないで does not have て in it, so I wouldn't really consider it to be the ないで conjugation of a verb.

I'm also kind of confused what you bean by -a stem for godan verbs. Can you give an example?
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RE: te form

Postby nprz » Tue 11.15.2005 11:11 pm

-a stem would be the conjugation with the 'a' ending, 買う→買わ, 遊ぶ→遊ば etc. Most conjugations use the -i stem (also called masu stem), but godan verbs use all stems for some sort of conjugation.
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RE: te form

Postby zengargoyle » Wed 11.16.2005 1:05 am

if i understand what i've read correctly...

未然形(みぜんけい) + ず = negative perfect, which in Japanese acts as a noun.
+ に turns noun into adverb. roughly meaning "without ...".

食べずに来ました。
[I] came without eating.

未然形 + ない + で is roughly "don't do ... and". unlike the adverbial ずに,
the ないで form is chainable.

食べないで学校へ行ってバスを乗らないで着きました。
[I] didn't eat, went to school, didn't take the bus and arrived.

one source i have uses the ないで and なくて forms interchangably, another
source seems to imply...

未然形 + なくて is "do not do ... and ..." or "because ... do not do ...",
indicating a cause or reason for an action or event.

ゆうべは勉強しないで寝ました。
Last night I didn't study and went to bed.

漢字が覚えられなくて困る。
Because I can't memorize kanji, I'm in trouble.
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RE: te form

Postby Harisenbon » Wed 11.16.2005 7:01 am

You are correct, ないで and なくて while similar, are not interchangable. It took me forever to learn that, because their usage is so similar.
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