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EmilyBean
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help with short forms

Post by EmilyBean » Mon 01.09.2006 2:52 pm

I would appreciate if someone could check over these for me... I'm writing in romanji to save time.

dictionary form -> short form negative
miru= minai
sumu= sumanai
kakeru= kakenai
haku= hakanai
hajimeru= hajimenai
tsukuru= tsukuranai
sentakusuru= sentakusunai
arau= aranai
kuru= kunai
wasureru= wasurenai
aru= nai
omou= omanai
mottteiku= motteikanai
hairu= hainai
kaeru= kaenai
amegafuru= amegafunai

short form affirmative -> negative
waumeida= waumeijyanai
ameda= amejyanai
isokashi= isokashikunai
kawaii= kawaikunai
mijikai= mijikakunai
shinsetsuda= shinsetsujyanai
yasui= yasukanai
kireida= kireijyanai
taihenda= taihenjyanai
ii= yokunai
kakkoii= kakkoikunaisukida= sukijyanai
kiraida= kiraijyanai

some sentences:

Meari-san wa shizukajyanai to omoimasu.
Meari- san wa yoku ryourisuda to omoimasu.
Meari- san wa tabakowosanai to omoimasu.
Meari- san wa kowaikunai to omoimasu.
Meari- san wa kuruma wo untensuda to omoimasu.
Ashita wa samuii to omoimasu.

Sorry if there's problems with the romanji...

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RE: help with short forms

Post by AJBryant » Mon 01.09.2006 3:22 pm

First: It's romaji, not romanji. No "n". Just being picky. ;)
sentakusuru= sentakusunai
Correct: sentaku suru -> sentaku shinai

"Suru" is an irregular verb.
arau= aranai
Correct: arau -> arawanai
kuru= kunai
Correct: kuru -> konai

Kuru, like suru, is irregular.
omou= omanai
Correct: omou -> omowanai
hairu= hainai
Correct: hairu -> hairanai
amegafuru= amegafunai
Correct: amegafunai -> ame ga furanai
waumeida= waumeijyanai
Huh? First -- for this and all your examples, "da" and "ja nai" are not part of a single word (e.g., it's not "ameda" it's "ame da" and instead of "amejyanai" it's "ame ja nai"). Second: "waumei?" --What's that?
isokashi= isokashikunai
Correct: isogashii -> isogashikunai
yasui= yasukanai
Correct: yasui -> yasukunai
kakkoii= kakkoikunai
"Kakkou ii" contains the adjective "ii" which you have already properly declined. Why the mistake here?
Meari- san wa yoku ryourisuda to omoimasu.
Assuming you mean "cook" it's "ryouri suru" not "ryourisuda".
Meari- san wa tabakowosanai to omoimasu.
Tabako wo suu ---> "tabako wo suwanai"
Meari- san wa kuruma wo untensuda to omoimasu.
"unten suru" --- same note as above re. "ryouri".

I don't think you quite have a grasp on the use of the verb "suru". You don't put a copula ("da" or "desu" after a verb like this.
Ashita wa samuii to omoimasu.
Correct: Ashita wa samui to omoimasu.

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Post by richvh » Mon 01.09.2006 3:44 pm

There's a few errors.
kakeru= kakenai
Correct, except for 翔る->翔らない (翔る, kakeru, to fly or soar)
sentakusuru= sentakusunai
This is a suru verb, so it's sentaku shinai
arau= aranai
arawanai
kuru= kunai
konai
omou= omanai
omowanai
hairu= hainai
kaeru= kaenai
hairanai, kaeranai (for the kaeru meaning to return; the kaeru meaning to exchange, interchange, substitute or replace becomes kaenai)
amegafuru= amegafunai
ame ga furanai
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Post by danvx6 » Mon 01.09.2006 5:05 pm

How would I conjugate the verb "utau" (to sing) to the negative? "utaanai" seems wrong. Is it just "utanai"?

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Post by skrhgh3b » Mon 01.09.2006 6:33 pm

Just so you know, the WWWJDIC has conjugation tables for any verb you look up, so there's no reason you can't check for errors yourself. Just run a search for any verb and click on the [V] link next to it.

http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/wwwjdic.html
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Post by skrhgh3b » Mon 01.09.2006 6:36 pm

danvx6 wrote:
How would I conjugate the verb "utau" (to sing) to the negative? "utaanai" seems wrong. Is it just "utanai"?
The negative conjugation of any 'う-verb' ending in 〜う (i.e. 買う, 歌う, etc.) is 〜わない (i.e. 買わない, 歌わない, etc.).
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RE: help with short forms

Post by Gan » Mon 01.09.2006 6:37 pm

How is romaji faster again?

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