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Particle ni/e

Postby Edvent » Sat 01.21.2006 7:19 am

Hi Everyone!

Hope you can help me one more time:
Well, at the moment I'm learning gammar due a special grammerbook and now I got to a section wich explains everthing about Particles ni/e.
There are two sample scentence:

#1)
Person 1: Osaka ni mo ikimasu ka - Are you also going to Osaka?
Person 2: Iie, Osaka ni wa ikimasen - No, we don't go to Osaka.

The problem is the answear of person 2: Why is there a は after the に ?
Isn't it alright to say, "Iie, Osaka ni ikimasen" ?
(Note, in the text "we" is meant: No, we don't go to Osaka)

#2)
Kyonen no 12-gatsu ni Nihon ni kimashita - last year in december I came to Japan.

why is there a に after the がつ ? Well, I understand the に after the にほん. But what is the other one for?


Hope you can help me!
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RE: Particle ni/e

Postby Edvent » Sat 01.21.2006 7:33 am

Yeah, I know about the difference of ni and e...
But my first question is about something different: why is there a "wa"?
And the second question: why is there a ni after the "12-gatsu"? Time has nothing to do with place, right?
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RE: Particle ni/e

Postby mandolin » Sat 01.21.2006 7:35 am

#1)
It's still a topic marker in this instance, so substituting "As for...." still works.

As for to Osaka, we don't go.

When I listen to japanese in dramas, on audio files, and such, when they point out a topic with 'wa' there's almost always a pause, just as when english speakers say

"Speaking of Bill," *pause* "he went to school yesterday for the first time."

Osaka ni wa *pause* ikimasen.
I think you can say it without the 'wa', but as it's already a topic of the conversation, it might sound out of place.

#2)
"ni" is used for a physical destination, or a point of existence in space OR time

nihon ni - to japan, in japan <--- unclear, a verb would make the context clear
juunigatsu ni - in december

Nihon ni ikimasu. <--- I go to japan.
Nihon ni imasu. <---- I am in japan.
juunigatsu ni kimashita. <--- I came in december.

#3)
I know there's no #3, but your thread title mentions the 'e' particle. Did you have a question about that, too?
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RE: Particle ni/e

Postby Edvent » Sat 01.21.2006 7:44 am

ah, now I got it. Thx a lot!
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RE: Particle ni/e

Postby mandolin » Sat 01.21.2006 3:12 pm

purple heart wrote:
does it happen with Ikimas that <ni> particle is used?


Yes.

ni is used as indicating one's actual destination.

'e' is more vague. You are heading in the direction of something, but it's unclear exactly where one will end up (or perhaps make stops along the way) or some such.

You might find this link useful.
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