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RE: Trying sentences =P

Postby adam » Sun 02.26.2006 10:24 pm

Still going to have to disagree with you there.
For example,
日本語を話すのは難しいですね。
This sentence would mean, "It is difficult to speak in japanese, right?"
This is classic textbook example as well. Though in conversation, japanese will often drop off the "o" all together.
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RE: Trying sentences =P

Postby Mukade » Mon 02.27.2006 12:01 am

日本語を話す is just fine.

Remember that the Japanese language often considers things to be Direct Objects that are not Direct Objects in English. Think of these other examples:

右/左を曲がる。 Turn right.
公園を歩く。 Walk through the park.
高速道路を走る。 Cruise along the expressway.
コンビ二をうろうろする。 Wander through the convenience store.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but none of the Direct Objects in these sentences would be considered such in English. It's not that 日本語を話す violates the "を must mark a direct object" rule. It's just that in Japanese, 日本語 can be a direct object in this case, while in English it cannot.
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RE: Trying sentences =P

Postby mechakucha » Mon 02.27.2006 12:35 am

This is my humble interpretation on the usage:
日本語を話す=speak Japanese
日本語で話す=speak in Japanese
かなで日本語を書く=write Japanese in kana
日本語で書く=write in Japanese

same goes when you have potential form
日本語が話せます=can speak Japanese
日本語で、日本の文化のことが話せます。=can speak about Japanese culture in Japanese.

But for the sentence "I like to speak Japanese" <- It's not grammatically correct in English.
It should be "I like to speak in Japanese (about something)" = nihongo de (about something) hanasu no ga suki desu.

Please correct me if I'm wrong about this.
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RE: Trying sentences =P

Postby keatonatron » Mon 02.27.2006 7:28 am

kulex47 wrote:
"Hon wo yomu koto ga suki desu" = I like reading books.
would'nt that be "I like to read books." since its yomu, just wondering
Also I am going to go insane trying to teach myself all these grammer rules all by myself but I have to cuz I've got no instructor SO, can anyone point me in the direction of an online resource that has a detailed step by step instruction on learning the grammatical rules?


Using a verb + koto turns it into the present participle form, i.e. -ing.

I recommend Tae Kim's site: http://www.guidetojapanese.org/
Maybe there you can find info on ha ga ha.
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RE: Trying sentences =P

Postby AJBryant » Mon 02.27.2006 1:34 pm

日本語を話す=speak Japanese
日本語で話す=speak in Japanese


Sigh.

Yeah, it's a blind spot I have. There are a couple of things with Japanese that no matter how many times I see or hear them, I keep mentally shutting them out. The "日本語を話す" bit is one of those. It just doesn't follow the proper pattern in my mind.

It's things like that that turned me to shochu. :p


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RE: Trying sentences =P

Postby keatonatron » Mon 02.27.2006 7:07 pm

And I just blindly follow Tony. I didn't wanna say it, but I realized he was wrong soon after making that post where I backed him up (I was sleepy at the time). B)
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