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Postby tanuki » Mon 03.06.2006 9:54 am

Hello, all!

So, today I was trying to build some sentences in Japanese (very easy sentences), and I was trying to say something like (it was not exactly this, but I want to make it easier): "As for today, I can/am able to study Japanese.".

So, my reasoning was: I have to use the potential form, but I'll first think how to say it in...how should I call it...indicative, and then transform it.

So, I thought: either 今日は日本語を勉強する。 or 今日は日本語の勉強をする。

So far, so good (I think, at least). Then I thought: OK, so now the potential form. I have read that the potential form of する is できる, so I thought:

今日は日本語を勉強できる。 or 今日は日本語の勉強をできる。

And finally I thought: But, you can't have a direct object with the potential form. So, the final result would be:

今日は日本語が勉強できる。 or 今日は日本語の勉強ができる。

Was my reasoning right? Is that how you would say "As for today, I can/am able to study Japanese"? Or is there a completely different way?

Thanks a lot in advance for your replies! Bye!
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RE: potential form question

Postby keatonatron » Tue 03.07.2006 3:39 am

Yep. I'm surprised you didn't get that off a website somewhere, that's exactly like they teach it!
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RE: potential form question

Postby ryuubu » Tue 03.07.2006 5:54 am

That's some pretty good reasoning there.
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RE: potential form question

Postby amego » Tue 03.07.2006 6:39 am

Excellent :D That's the best way to learn: to find the way out yourself :p

Anyway, if you wanna say "As of today, I can speak Japanese.", there are a number of ways:

1) 今日は、日本語ができる。

2) 今日は、日本語を話すことができる。

3) 今日は、日本語が話せる。

And they are discussed in detail by Clay here :)
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RE: potential form question

Postby tanuki » Tue 03.07.2006 4:18 pm

Thanks a lot, you guys! I'm glad my reasoning was right. And you're right, trying to do it yourself is the best way. If you're right, it feels fine and you are motivated, and if you're wrong, then you learn from your mistakes.

Oh, and that's curious... "今日は、日本語ができる。" means "As for today, I can speak Japanese"? Could you please explain me why? I mean, as far as I know there is no verb "日本語(を)する". Can you do the same with other things apart from languages?
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RE: potential form question

Postby WacKostRacKo » Tue 03.07.2006 4:29 pm

できる means can be done/achieved. So the direct translation is something like

'as for today' (今日は) 'Japanese can be done' (日本語ができる). Although i have to admit it is a strange sentence. Maybe something like...

今日から日本語ができる

As from today i can speak Japanese.

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How about:

外人: これはすしです。すしが好きです。
日本人: おお!日本語が上手ですね。
外人: Erm....what?


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