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Postby Diggity » Sun 04.10.2005 6:32 pm

Ok I am currently working on using aru and iru to describe that things exist or that an event is taking place. My question is this:

How do I ask someone what they are doing on/in a particular time. Let's say:

What are you doing on Friday?

Would I use: Kinyoubi ni shimasu ka.
Or this: Kinyoubi ni nani ga arimasu ka.

Or would both be correct ways of asking?

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Postby clay » Sun 04.10.2005 9:07 pm

Diggity wrote:
Ok I am currently working on using aru and iru to describe that things exist or that an event is taking place. My question is this:

How do I ask someone what they are doing on/in a particular time. Let's say:

What are you doing on Friday?

Would I use: Kinyoubi ni shimasu ka.
Or this: Kinyoubi ni nani ga arimasu ka.

Or would both be correct ways of asking?

Arigatougozaimasu


kinyoubi ni nani o shitai desu ka?
shitai= want to do
What do you want to do on Friday.

Or you could say:
kinyoubi ni nani o suru tsumori desu ka?
What do you plan to do on Friday?

If you want to use iru (not aru since we are talking to a human (presumably)) you can say:
kinyoubi ni wa doko ni imasu ka?
On Friday, where will you be?
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RE: How to say...

Postby Diggity » Sun 04.10.2005 9:27 pm

hmm ok thanks for the reply. I was thinking that using

kinyoubi ni nani o arimasu ka

Would be similar to saying "So What do you have going on on Friday?"

Since aru would be used to talk about an event -

Kinyoubi ni nihongo no kurasu ga arimasen. - There is no Japanese class on Friday.

I guess that trying to teach myself has brought up a lot of questions lol...
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Postby clay » Sun 04.10.2005 10:30 pm

Diggity wrote:
hmm ok thanks for the reply. I was thinking that using

kinyoubi ni nani o arimasu ka

Would be similar to saying "So What do you have going on on Friday?"

Since aru would be used to talk about an event -



Yes, that is good. You probably would say instead:
kinyoubi ni naniKA (youji ga) arimasu ka?
friday-on-something-business-have-question
Do you have something to do on Friday?

You can drop the 'youji ga' but I think that is implied without it.

So your example would be correct if we replaced the 'o' with 'ga'. Particles are hard to figure out sometimes. But usually arimasu comes with 'ga'.

Good thinking. That's the way to do it!
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Postby InsanityRanch » Tue 04.19.2005 3:46 pm

Whoa, think we need to back up a bit!

>Kinyoubi ni shimasu ka.

"suru" is the right verb -- even though it is usually said to be equivalent to English "to be", it actually comes closer to "to do".

However, you left out "nani" -- Kinyoubi ni nani wo shimasu ka?
Means "What are you doing Friday". Strikes me as rather, um, intrusive. The suggestion

>kinyoubi ni naniKA (youji ga) arimasu ka?
seems more natural.

However,
>Kinyoubi ni nani ga arimasu ka.
is very odd -- what will there be on Friday? "aru" means to exist, so you are asking about some inanimate object that will exist on Friday. Maybe if you are asking, for instance, what the sushi special will be at a restaurant and the context is already established? In any case, this doesn't mean what you want it to.

And
>kinyoubi ni nani o arimasu ka
.... is just wrong. "aru" never takes wo, because it isn't a transitive verb.

(In general, it is well worth memorizing verbs WITH the appropriate particle, or as part of a pattern. One common pattern: N ga aru = there is or are N(s). TEEBURU no ue ni hon ga aru = there are books on the table.

N ga iru -- same meaning, but for living, moving things: TEEBURU ni neko ga iru. There is a cat on the table.)

HTH!

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Postby Diggity » Tue 04.19.2005 6:43 pm

Yeah using "o" with it was a tired mistype. I typed it right in my first post at the top of the page...

Also aru does not have to be for a tangible object. It is also used to talk about events that will take place.
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Postby InsanityRanch » Thu 04.21.2005 1:55 pm

>Yeah using "o" with it was a tired mistype.

Ah, yes, I am WAY too familiar with that! <g>

>Also aru does not have to be for a tangible object. It is also used to talk >about events that will take place.

True, thank you for pointing that out. Apparently, in the Japanese mind, ideas, things that will happen and other immaterial "objects" are in the same category as material inanimate objects. This is also reflected in the use of "koto" to refer to such things, while "mono" refers to people and material objects. (Actually, two kanji are used, one for people and one for things, both pronounced "mono".)
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