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物心つく

Postby Yudan Taiteki » Sat 11.25.2006 7:42 pm

これはテレビゲームからの文章だからすみません。「ヒイロには物心ついた時からあらゆる格闘技を教えこみ、殺人のプロとして育てあげた。」

まず、「物心ついた」は「ものごころついた」と読むそうですが、"from childhood"のような意味がありますか?というより、"from the time of consciousness"ですか?訳すことはちょっと難しい--自分のことなら"as far back as I can remember"になると思いますけど"as far back as he can remember I have taught him martial arts"は変な感じがします。

あとで「格闘技」は「かくとうわざ」じゃなくて「かくとうぎ」と読みますね?

ありがとうございます
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RE: 物心つく

Postby Schattenjedi » Sat 11.25.2006 8:11 pm

From Goo:

ものごころ 物心

・〜つく頃から since one can remember.

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RE: 物心つく

Postby Yudan Taiteki » Sat 11.25.2006 8:18 pm

Yeah, "since one can remember" is in the GENIUS also -- but I still think "As long as he can remember I've been teaching him fighting" sounds strange in English given the context in which the line occurred.
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RE: 物心つく

Postby coco » Sat 11.25.2006 8:56 pm

正しい英語かどうかわかりませんが
英辞郎では次のようになっていました。
物心がついたときから
from the days of one's earliest recollection.

学研の国語辞典では
ものごころがつく【物心が付く】
      {慣用句・ことわざ}子供が成長して物心がわかるようになる。

ですが、小学校入学か、その少し前くらいから使えるのではないかと思います。
school-age child だと変ですか?
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RE: 物心つく

Postby richvh » Sat 11.25.2006 9:05 pm

Perhaps "For as long as I've known him"?
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RE: 物心つく

Postby Yudan Taiteki » Sat 11.25.2006 9:17 pm

It definitely means since childhood, though. The meaning seems to be basically "I started training him as a pro assassin as soon as I could" or something like that.
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RE: 物心つく

Postby keatonatron » Sun 11.26.2006 12:58 am

Think about what "since I can remember" means: from the time that one's mind had developed enough that they could start remembering experiences (probably around 3-4 years old). In this case, the remembering has nothing to do with the training, it simply denotes a time when one really gains control of their body.

So, if you were to be translating this professionally, I would suggest going with a non-literal translation and using something like "I've been training him since he was old enough to hold a dagger" or something similar (although 格闘技 doesn't involve weapons). This would retain that "we started as soon as he was capable" meaning of the original.

I guess.
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RE: 物心つく

Postby Yudan Taiteki » Sun 11.26.2006 1:23 am

Ah yeah, that seems good. Thanks.
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RE: 物心つく

Postby kohyin » Sun 11.26.2006 1:25 am

I like keatonatron's translation.
How about "I've been training him since he was old enough to trot."?
I am not sure if "trot" is a right word, though.
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