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ほど in this sentance.

Postby guitarplayer7694 » Thu 12.18.2008 6:45 pm

女の子は友達ほど大きいパンを持っていません。
I'm not entirely sure what this means. If the ほど were replaced with の then I think it would be "The girl does not have her friends large bread" right?

So basically my question is what does this sentence mean, what does ほど mean in this usage, and is my change correct?
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Re: ほど in this sentance.

Postby richvh » Thu 12.18.2008 7:14 pm

The girl does not have bread as big as her friend's. ほど indicates an upper limit in a comparison; おおきい shows that it is size being compared.
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Re: ほど in this sentance.

Postby guitarplayer7694 » Thu 12.18.2008 7:34 pm

richvh wrote:The girl does not have bread as big as her friend's. ほど indicates an upper limit in a comparison; おおきい shows that it is size being compared.

So would changing the 大きい to 小さい mean "the girl does not have bread as small as her friend's"?
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Re: ほど in this sentance.

Postby richvh » Thu 12.18.2008 7:48 pm

Yes.
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Re: ほど in this sentance.

Postby guitarplayer7694 » Thu 12.18.2008 8:48 pm

richvh wrote:Yes.

Thank you for the help,this was puzzling me a bit.
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Re: ほど in this sentance.

Postby keatonatron » Fri 12.19.2008 7:15 am

richvh wrote:The girl does not have bread as big as her friend's.


It could also be saying "The girl doesn't have a piece of bread as big as her friend." It all depends on context :P
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Re: ほど in this sentance.

Postby guitarplayer7694 » Fri 12.19.2008 9:30 am

keatonatron wrote:
richvh wrote:The girl does not have bread as big as her friend's.


It could also be saying "The girl doesn't have a piece of bread as big as her friend." It all depends on context :P

Your phrase did sound better, too me, in English, but I went with the other because it I didn't think the "peice" would be correct.
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Re: ほど in this sentance.

Postby richvh » Fri 12.19.2008 9:46 am

The difference Keat was pointing out was "friend's"->"friend"; of course, if her piece of bread was as big as her friend, it would either be one big piece of bread, or one small friend.
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Re: ほど in this sentance.

Postby keatonatron » Fri 12.19.2008 11:20 am

guitarplayer7694 wrote:but I went with the other because it I didn't think the "peice" would be correct.


Well, "peice" wouldn't be correct no matter what context you match it up with :cry:

But Rich was right about what I was trying to say--from this sentence, you don't know if the girl's bread is being compared to her friend's bread, or if the bread is being compared to the actual friend.
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Re: ほど in this sentance.

Postby two_heads_talking » Fri 12.19.2008 1:29 pm

keatonatron wrote:
guitarplayer7694 wrote:but I went with the other because it I didn't think the "peice" would be correct.


Well, "peice" wouldn't be correct no matter what context you match it up with :cry:

But Rich was right about what I was trying to say--from this sentence, you don't know if the girl's bread is being compared to her friend's bread, or if the bread is being compared to the actual friend.


That's why context is so bloody important. English can get you into some seriously deep holes that way..
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Re: ほど in this sentance.

Postby guitarplayer7694 » Fri 12.19.2008 3:07 pm

keatonatron wrote:
guitarplayer7694 wrote:but I went with the other because it I didn't think the "peice" would be correct.


Well, "peice" wouldn't be correct no matter what context you match it up with :cry:

But Rich was right about what I was trying to say--from this sentence, you don't know if the girl's bread is being compared to her friend's bread, or if the bread is being compared to the actual friend.

Could there a の be placed any where to make it so?
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Re: ほど in this sentance.

Postby richvh » Fri 12.19.2008 5:22 pm

You'd have to completely rewrite the sentence.

女の子を持っている番は友達のほど大きくありません。
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Re: ほど in this sentance.

Postby becki_kanou » Sun 12.21.2008 4:08 am

richvh wrote:You'd have to completely rewrite the sentence.

女の子を持っている番は友達のほど大きくありません。


You've got a 変換ミス of 番 for パン there. Also it should be が rather than を or you'll end up with bread carrying the girl rather than vice-versa.
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Re: ほど in this sentance.

Postby richvh » Sun 12.21.2008 7:59 am

Oops. But it certainly isn't just a matter of inserting a の.
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Re: ほど in this sentance.

Postby furrykef » Sun 12.21.2008 1:57 pm

becki_kanou wrote:Also it should be が rather than を or you'll end up with bread carrying the girl rather than vice-versa.


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