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Three short sentences...did I translate correctly?

Postby Kuranado » Sat 05.09.2009 1:16 am

ここに、百人います。
There are 100 people here.

あそこに 千人います。
There are 1,000 people over there.

会社に 一万人います。
There are 10,000 people in the company.

I'm a bit confused by the particle "ni" and confused by "nin/jin/hito" following a number.

Thanks for any correction or explanations!
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Re: Three short sentences...did I translate correctly?

Postby sampaguita » Sat 05.09.2009 2:07 am

Kuranado wrote:ここに、百人います。
There are 100 people here.

あそこに 千人います。
There are 1,000 people over there.

会社に 一万人います。
There are 10,000 people in the company.

I'm a bit confused by the particle "ni" and confused by "nin/jin/hito" following a number.

Thanks for any correction or explanations!


Yes you did. :D
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Re: Three short sentences...did I translate correctly?

Postby furrykef » Sat 05.09.2009 2:58 am

Kuranado wrote:I'm a bit confused by the particle "ni" and confused by "nin/jin/hito" following a number.


In this case it's "nin". Note that 1人 and 2人 are pronounced "hitori" and "futari" rather than "ichi nin" and "ni nin", but 3人 and above all use "nin". "Nin" is simply the counter for people, so it works just like any other counter word.

The "ni" simply marks location. A location with the verbs ある and いる will almost always take に. (Sometimes you will use で instead of に with ある, but you don't need to worry about that right now.)

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Re: Three short sentences...did I translate correctly?

Postby Kuranado » Sun 05.10.2009 5:44 am

Ah, many thanks to both of you! :)
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Re: Three short sentences...did I translate correctly?

Postby Mike Cash » Sun 05.10.2009 8:58 am

furrykef wrote:
Note that 1人 and 2人 are pronounced "hitori" and "futari" rather than "ichi nin" and "ni nin", but 3人 and above all use "nin". "Nin" is simply the counter for people, so it works just like any other counter word.


Just to confuse matters, though, we have 一人前 (hitorimae) and 一人前 (ichininmae), which are not one and the same.

And "nin" is a counter for people....not the counter for people. (1名、2名、3名、etc)
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Re: Three short sentences...did I translate correctly?

Postby space_bubble » Tue 05.19.2009 1:10 am

Kuranado wrote:ここに、百人います。I'm a bit confused by the particle "ni" and confused by "nin/jin/hito" following a number.
Thanks for any correction or explanations!


I will show my inexperience with counters/quantifiers here, but using only the first sentence as an example, could 「ここに、百人います。」 also be said 「ここに、人が百人います。」?

And, if the sentence I proposed does happen to grammatical (and I'm not sure that it is), what is the difference? Does it merely say the same thing as the original, but more wordily?
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Re: Three short sentences...did I translate correctly?

Postby lovegators » Tue 05.19.2009 2:19 am

I will show my inexperience with counters/quantifiers here, but using only the first sentence as an example, could 「ここに、百人います。」 also be said 「ここに、人が百人います。」?

I think the meaning of those two is the same. But I would use as follows,
I would normaly say, ここに百人います。We often drop a subject(人が) from the sentence. We rarely say, ここに人が百人います。This is grammartically correct and we say it in setting up a situation to show Here are 100 people.
If you don't have to mention the place where people stay or gather, then you just say, 百人います。This sounds more natural to me. Because we already know of talking about Here and People, it is enough to say 百人います。
Is my English correct? :)
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Re: Three short sentences...did I translate correctly?

Postby space_bubble » Wed 05.20.2009 1:27 pm

lovegators wrote:I would normaly say, ここに百人います。We often drop a subject(人が) from the sentence.

Sometimes I miss the forest for the trees--I focus too much on individual words in a (Japanese) sentence, etc., but fail to see conventions (like here), such as omitting the subject, when appropriate or applicable. A similar response applies vis–à–vis your 百人います sentence. I appreciate those clarifications.
lovegators wrote:Is my English correct?

Your English is quite good. Infinitely better than my Japanese.
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