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ga/ge = nga/nge?

Postby mr_pain » Wed 11.16.2005 5:53 am

Ive frequently heard が and げ pronounced as nga and nge. Ive read that this is an older form of pronounciation and that younger people use ga/ge but I seem to comeacross it all the time. Are there any rules of thumb as to where/when one can expect to hear this pronounciation used?
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RE: ga/ge = nga/nge?

Postby Harisenbon » Wed 11.16.2005 7:03 am

In very strong old Nagoya-ben they pronounce their ga's as ngas. That's the only place I really hear it anymore.
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RE: ga/ge = nga/nge?

Postby coco » Mon 11.21.2005 12:59 am

Although I'm not sure if a questioner is still interested in this query or not, I'm going to explain some.
We call it 鼻濁音(びだくおん) that Gg Line with Ng sounds (like Nga Ngi Ngu Nge Ngo).
As a questioner pointed out,鼻濁音 is hardly heard in around Tokyo and South part of Japan. But 鼻濁音 is still used in 東北(Tohoku) area ( North part of 本州 ), even between the young generation.

You will be able to see where they use 鼻濁音 with following map.
They still have ( or use ) 鼻濁音 in Gray zone.
(http://www.hcn.zaq.ne.jp/myattun/tochi/bidakuon.jpg )

The source of the map ↓
http://bookweb.kinokuniya.co.jp/htm/4053002990.html

Rules
・The pronunciation of the words beginning with ガギグゲゴ never become 鼻濁音.
( っこう=学校 、んざい=現在、んこう=銀行 are not pronounced with 鼻濁音 )
・Originally, Particle 「 が」 is 鼻濁音.
( like 嵐 きた。 ) ( 花 咲いた)
・In the case of an onomatopoeia, and a Chinese word, it will not become
鼻濁音。
(ガクク、グズズ、ゲララ 、侃々諤々=カンカンク)

Mostly, 演歌 singers, 歌舞伎/ actors master 鼻濁音.
Great 演歌 singers use accurate 鼻濁音 commonly.
If you listen the song named 『 津軽海峡冬景色=つる かいきょう ふゆしき』 sung by 石川さゆり,You will notice which is 鼻濁音.
She sings with using 鼻濁音, like「つカ°る かい きょう ふゆ ケ°しき」.

In phonetics, usually phonetic signs (カ°キ°ク°ケ°コ°)are used to distinguish from other ガギグゲゴ.
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RE: ga/ge = nga/nge?

Postby mr_pain » Tue 11.22.2005 3:45 pm

どうも 有難う coco. あのはとても面白い。

Am I correct in thinking then that 鼻濁音 pronounciation is optional for non-native speakers?
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RE: ga/ge = nga/nge?

Postby coco » Tue 11.22.2005 9:50 pm

Yes, you are right. If you don't have any ambition to become an 演歌singer,
you don't have to learn 鼻濁音. :)
Even announcers/anchorman, it is rare to pronounce exact 鼻濁音.
(and neither can I. ;) )
They say 鼻濁音 will disappear one of these days.
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