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How to use the word shomen?

Postby jsherwood » Thu 12.08.2005 3:06 pm

If shomen translates as "front; frontage; facade; main;" how do I use the word to say "bow to the front of the class"/"Bow to the Head of the Class" or do I use another phrase?
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RE: How to use the word shomen?

Postby richvh » Thu 12.08.2005 8:25 pm

I'm not sure, but you might need to use 前(mae) rather than 正面(shoumen). The most relevant hit I find in the examples for shoumen at WWWJDIC uses "no shoumen ni" to mean "facing", and the two hits I get for "front of the class" at Space ALC both use "mae ni"
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RE: How to use the word shomen?

Postby jsherwood » Fri 12.09.2005 6:07 pm

We've been using two phrases at the beginning of class
sensei-ni rei
then shomen-ni rei
trying to get across to bow to the head instructor then bow to the head of the class usually a number of other black belts. Apparently I have wrong in the meanings and would like to correct that. So it now looks like it should be sensei-ne rei then mae-ni rei
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RE: How to use the word shomen?

Postby coco » Fri 12.09.2005 7:15 pm

Though I am not learning the 武道 like judo/kendo/aikido ....

稽古時間に正座をする
1)正面に礼  shomen ni rei
2)先生に礼 sensei ni rei

稽古後 正座 (黙想)
1)正面に礼 shomen ni rei
2)先生に礼 senesi ni rei
and
3)お互いに礼 otagai ni rei ( bow to each other)

http://shotokan.stanford.edu/protocol.html
This site might be your help.

*「正面に礼」は、先生に対してではなく、道場の正面の壁に向かって行われます。
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RE: How to use the word shomen?

Postby jsherwood » Sat 12.10.2005 4:52 pm

Thanks

What I want to do is to remove shomen-ni rei, because we're not bowing to anything else but the head instructor and other black belts in the school. As I understand it. Shomen is the front of the room kind of where an alter may be. Even though the dictionaries list literally that this word means front it seems I can't use it to mean the front of the class/head of the class.
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RE: How to use the word shomen?

Postby Mike » Sat 12.10.2005 7:04 pm

You might consider using 'Sensei ni rei' to bow to the head teacher and then 'Sempai ni rei' to the seniors that have taught.;)
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RE: How to use the word shomen?

Postby jsherwood » Fri 12.30.2005 12:02 pm

Thanks everyone for replying. I think I will be using
sensei ni rei
and
sempai ni rei
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