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物心ついたころには

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物心ついたころには

Postby draglung » Sun 06.10.2007 8:17 am

I suppose this is a fixed phrase in japanese with some variation. I wonder what meaning does it have since dictionary returns unrelated results.
The entire sentence is:
物心ついた頃にはあたりまえのように幽霊が見えてた。



????, i can see spirits as though it is natural(ability).


As a side question, i encountered this phrase:

俺は幽霊の見える男

It means "im a man who can see spirits" however i wonder why is a の used? I suppose 幽霊が見える男 would be enough?
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RE: 物心ついたころには

Postby richvh » Sun 06.10.2007 8:45 am

I think the first sentence means something like "When mind and matter are joined, usually the spirit is visible."

In the second sentence, when a dependent clause modifies a noun, の can replace が. 幽霊の見える男=幽霊が見える男.
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RE: 物心ついたころには

Postby a_iwai » Sun 06.10.2007 8:58 am

"物心ついた頃" means "one's earliest recollection".

"物心ついた頃から" means "ever since one could remember".

Ever since I could remember, I can see spirits as though it is common.

I wonder whether "common" is suitable for it.
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RE: 物心ついたころには

Postby draglung » Sun 06.10.2007 9:05 am

thanks alot that clears things up.

That means both の and が are legal usage isn't it. How complex.

since 物心ついた頃 means "earliest recollection" the sentence would mean "in my earliest recollection, I can see spirits as though it is a common/naturual thing".
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