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Postby drutuk » Fri 09.09.2005 4:37 am

Help!, I'm visiting Japan (obihiro) with work in a few weeks, one of my colleauges is a vegitarian, she is worried about not being able to ask for food without meat, please could anyone advise me how to say, 'i'a vegetarian' & 'my friend is a vegietatian'

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RE: vegitarian...

Postby Daichi » Fri 09.09.2005 5:59 am

(Watashi wa) saishoku shugisha desu.
(I) am vegetarian

Watashi no tomodachi wa saishoku shugisha desu.
My friend is vegetarian.

NOTE: In Japan, vegetarian has a different meaning - so it might be better to specify what you don't eat.

Watashi wa ... o itadakimasen.
I don't eat ...

niku - meat
tori - poultry
buta niku - bacon, ham etc.
sakana - fish
kani - crab
ebi - shrimp
ikka - eel
tako - octopus
kai - shellfish
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RE: vegitarian...

Postby MenomaMinx » Fri 09.09.2005 6:46 am

What exactly does the word vegetarian mean in Japanese , if it doesn't mean vegetarian?

I thought something was strange a couple weeks ago when I told my friend I was a vegetarian and he changed his offer to make me chicken vegetable soup to making the exact same soup with chicken picked out afterwards. For those vegetarians who never had homemade chicken vegetable soup before, I can tell you this is absolutely impossible. Even if you managed to remove the larger chunks of chicken, the smaller bits and the chicken fat have permeated everything. Yeah, there are times when it necessary to compromise is a vegetarian to be polite to the ccompany you're with by picking the vegetables out of the meat. Homemade food made especially for you shouldn't be one of them......

...... but considering this conversation involved an ocean between us, I figured the thought was what counted, so I didn't bother to correct it. Going to have to at some point though........
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RE: vegitarian...

Postby Daichi » Fri 09.09.2005 8:55 am

What exactly does the word vegetarian mean in Japanese , if it doesn't mean vegetarian?


Saishoku shugisha is usually translated as vegetarian, but only really means that your diet excludes red meats such as beef or lamb etc. (although buta niku, pig meat, is not excluded).
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RE: vegitarian...

Postby Kates » Fri 09.09.2005 12:30 pm

I had vegetarian friends while I studied in Japan and they had a hard time getting by. They were quite serious about the practice and avoided ALL products that used meat. They would check bags and boxes for ingredients, and found that many products like PRETZ even used pig in some way. (Or so they assumed, from the kanji they saw.)

If your friend is a very serious vegetarian, I recommend you learn the kanji for cow, pig, etc and then you can watch for them on product ingredients.
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RE: vegitarian...

Postby sa » Fri 09.09.2005 3:57 pm

日本には動物を食べない人のために「精進料理」という料理があります。
野菜だけで作った料理です。 代蕪Iなものに「豆腐」があります。
出し汁も昆布や乾燥しいたけだったりするのでベジタリアンの人は安心かもしれません。

動物 (どうぶつ、doubutsu)
食べない人 (たべない-ひと、tabenai-hito)
精進料理 (しょうじん-りょうり、shoujin-ryouri)
野菜(やさい、yasai)
作った(つくった、tsukutta)
代蕪I(だいひょう-てき、daihyou-teki)
豆腐(とうふ、toufu)
出し汁 (だしじる、dashijiru,soup)
昆布 (こんぶ、konbu、seaweed)
乾燥しいたけ (かんそう-しいたけ、kansou-shiitake、Dry mushrom)
ベジタリアン(べじたりあん、vegetarian) 
安心 (あんしん、anshin)

ここから下をプリントアウトして帯広に持っていくといいでしょう。
---------------ここから---------------------------------

私はベジタリアン(菜食主義者)です。
あらゆる肉や魚やチーズなどの乳製品や蜂蜜を食べることができません。
「かつおぶし」や「にぼし」で「だし」を取ったスープも食べられません。
野菜だけで調理された料理はありますか?
野菜だけで調理された料理を注文したいと思います。

---------------ここまで----------------------------------

帯広 (おびひろ、obihiro)
プリントアウト (ぷりんと-あうと、print out)
菜食主義者(さいしょく-しゅぎ-しゃ、saishku-shugi-sha)
乳製品 (にゅう-せいひん、nyuu-seihin)
蜂蜜 (はちみつ、hachimitsu)
調理 (ちょうり、chouri)

帯広は北海道にある町です。
おそらく、9月末はもう寒いので(10月末には雪が降ります)
Tシャツだけで行くと大変なことになります。;)

北海道 (ほっかいどう、hokkaidou)
町 (まち、machi)
9月末(く-がつ-まつ、ku-gatsu-matsu)
寒い (さむ-い、samu-i)
雪 (ゆき、yuki)
Tシャツ (T-しゃつ、T-shirt)
行く (いく、iku)
大変(たいへん、taihen)
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RE: vegitarian...

Postby Spaztick » Sat 09.10.2005 11:21 am

すごいサさん。でも、僕はちょっとわかりませんでした(言葉を勉強しなければよね。)
とおろでみんな、動物はおいしいよ、どうして食べたない? :D
*牛肉を食べています、僕は*
じゃ、サさんは正しいよだから、聞いてください。:)
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RE: vegitarian...

Postby coco » Sun 09.11.2005 12:51 am

I like to let you know some simple words.
「DA ME」(だめ) ,means 「no」「 won't 」
「NIKU 」(にく) , means meat.

so you can say 「にく だめ 」。Its means " no meat"
If you say 「niku dame desu = にく だめ です」in restaurant,
most Japanese understand what you wish to say.

Or we will be able to understand if you say 'i am a vegetarian' very slow and clear.
like " ve・・ge・・ta・・ri・・a・・n" .

If you like to know how to pronounce 「にく だめ です」
following page will be helpful.
http://www.thejapanesepage.com/readarticle.php?article_id=2#HIRAGANA%20LESSONS:


I think Sa-san is showing very useful ways.
So I try to translate what sa-san wrote.
I hope My english makes sense.:p

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ここから下をプリントアウトして帯広に持っていくといいでしょう。
Probably, it will be good in printing out from here and bringing to Obihiro.
--------------- From here ---------------------------------
私はベジタリアン(菜食主義者)です。
I am a vegetarian (ve・ge・ta・ri・a・n).

あらゆる肉や魚やチーズなどの乳製品や蜂蜜を食べることができません。
I cannot eat meat,fish,cheeses or honey,etc.
「かつおぶし」や「にぼし」で「だし」を取ったスープも食べられません。
I can not eat soup that seasoned with fish like "dried bonito" either.

野菜だけで調理された料理はありますか?
Is there any dish cooked only with vegetables?
野菜だけで調理された料理を注文したいと思います。
I would like to order the dish cooked only with vegetables.
--------------- End ----------------------------------

saさん、justinさん,針さん,
間違いを修正していただければありがたいです。


I hope you and your colleagues will have good time in Obihiro.:)
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RE: vegitarian...

Postby Justin » Mon 09.12.2005 5:05 pm

Thanks for the great work there sa and coco, very much appreciated. If you don't feel very comfortable trying to speak Japanese or anything, I think using what sa has wrote, and that coco has kindly translated, would work well. That way you'll then just be able to hand over a piece of paper which will be easily understood by your server, no worries on weather or not what you're saying things correctly or not. Like coco said though, I'm sure if you spoke real slowly, or used what coco gave you there, I'm sure they'd be able to understand what you're talking about.

As sa said too, you'll probably want to pack some warmer clothes along. By the end of September or so there, it starts to get pretty cold, and by the end of October you've usually got some snow up there. Take care and good luck on your trip.

P.S. You did a fine job there coco, everything was perfectly understandable. :D
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RE: vegitarian...

Postby coco » Tue 09.13.2005 12:01 am

justinさん。
どうもありがとうございます。

ご質問者のご友人がどこまで徹底した菜食主義の方かわかりませんが
肉を食べない、というだけでしたら日本はかなり選択肢が広い国であると思います。
saさんが想定しておられるように完璧な菜食主義を貫くとなると自炊が必須です。
しかも調味料類も厳選しなければなりません。

食物アレルギーが問題になっている昨今、
食品侮ヲはかなり改善されましたが、
それでも食品衛生法違反の企業が営業停止処分を受けたりしています。

食は人間の活動を支える基本です。
食生活と行動様式に関する面白い研究はいくつもあり、
「食育」に関する関心も高まっています。 参照: http://www.e-shokuiku.com/

このあたりも面白いテーマですので、機会があったら是非またお話ししましょう。;)
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RE: vegitarian...

Postby Akeru » Tue 09.13.2005 3:15 am

Yeah... I'm a vegetarian, but I dont live in Japan :p I dont eat meat, eggs, fish, onion, garlic nor chicken at all. Will it be difficult for me if I go to Japan? Do they have vegetarian restaurants and such? I thought there should be a least a proportion of Japanese eating "vegetarian" since Buddhism is one of the major religions there. Or is it that they practise that religion without the diet restrictions? I want to find out 'cos I might go to Japan next year through the school student exchange program for a month, but thinking of putting it off because of my specific diet.:|
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RE: vegitarian...

Postby Daichi » Tue 09.13.2005 7:38 am

Akeru wrote:
I thought there should be a least a proportion of Japanese eating "vegetarian" since Buddhism is one of the major religions there. Or is it that they practise that religion without the diet restrictions?


As far as I am aware the 'diet-restrictions' in Buddhism are a constant feature of debates regarding the interpretation of its teachings.
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RE: many thanks

Postby drutuk » Thu 09.15.2005 6:21 am

Thank you everyone for your help, I'm looking forward to having a go at a bit of the language, well - i'll have a try at it.
Thanks also for the weather advice, I was in Obihiro last year in late august and it was v warm - its usfull to know that by end sept it will be cold, BTW is it cold in Tokyo at the end september...?

Thanks

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RE: vegitarian...

Postby sa » Thu 09.15.2005 3:30 pm

hi,drutuk.
Tokyo is still very warm.
Everyone can live with T-shirt.
However, when the weather is bad, it might become a little cool.
(僕、英語のgrammarの自信がぜんぜん無いんですorz
「天気が悪くなったら少し涼しくなかもしれません」と書いたつもり。 こんなんでいいんだっけ?^^;)

BTW,if you go to the classy restaurant, you should take the necktie and the jacket.

have a nice trip.:)


cocoさん、お世話になっております。たびたび恐れ入りまする。^^;
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RE: vegitarian...

Postby coco » Sat 09.17.2005 9:33 pm

drutuk wrote:
BTW is it cold in Tokyo at the end september...?


Although the average temperature at the end (=10days) of September in Tokyo is 23.6 ℃(2004), it becomes 19.2 ℃ at the early(10days) in October. So I guess that you may consider 15 - 25 ℃.

there is a nice site to Know the Weather of Japan.
http://www.tbs.co.jp/eng/headline/weather.htm
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