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PLEASE HELP!

Post by RWP » Sat 09.17.2005 5:40 am

Having learned the Kana I am now faced with the daunting task of learning the 1945 standard 'everyday use' Kanji! My dilemma concerns the initiation of this task! I have downloaded KanjiGold and have flashcards for the first 1000 characters at home. I really do not know how to tackle this task, I don't understand when to use the on-yumi and kun-yumi and which one should be used when reading a word with Kanji in it. Can anyone explain to me when to use the on-yumi and when to use the kun-yumi? And also how to determine which pronounciation is used when looking at a word? Also what is up with the (つ) after some kun-yumi readings? SOOOOOOO CONFUSED :( :( :( :(

Thanks for any help, guys!! :D
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Post by redfoxer » Sat 09.17.2005 8:44 am

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Post by Kates » Sat 09.17.2005 9:37 am

Study VOCAB along with kanji and THEN you will understand when on- and kun-yomi are used. And besides, what's the point of learning kanji if you don't learn how to USE them. Just knowing meanings and stroke order isn't enough.

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Post by redfoxer » Sat 09.17.2005 11:07 am

what is the person in your avatar angry at kates :)
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Post by AaRoN » Sat 09.17.2005 11:19 am

RWP wrote:
Having learned the Kana I am now faced with the daunting task of learning the 1945 standard 'everyday use' Kanji! My dilemma concerns the initiation of this task! I have downloaded KanjiGold and have flashcards for the first 1000 characters at home. I really do not know how to tackle this task, I don't understand when to use the on-yumi and kun-yumi and which one should be used when reading a word with Kanji in it. Can anyone explain to me when to use the on-yumi and when to use the kun-yumi? And also how to determine which pronounciation is used when looking at a word? Also what is up with the (つ) after some kun-yumi readings? SOOOOOOO CONFUSED :( :( :( :(

Thanks for any help, guys!! :D

RWP-san..dont forget to learn grammar i find dat it helps alotB)
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Post by Christian_ » Sat 09.17.2005 11:35 am

Grammer is very important, If your starting kanji like me may i suggest "Read Japanese Today" Its A cheap book The Japan Shop sells it for under 10 bucks ( like 9.95) I havent been real dilligent this past week about reading it but I already know around 10 kanji its a great book. ( I know 10 isnt alot but I havent been reading it much)
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Post by skrhgh3b » Sat 09.17.2005 2:12 pm

i'm in an intermediate class at university, and our textbook (nakama) introudces about 30 new kanji characters a chapter that are in some way related to the chapter's theme. so, i'm learning about 4 kanji characters a day, and i find it's an extremely practical way to learn new kanji, even if it's not the most logical (learning 語 and 話 before 言, for example). so, i think whoever mentioned learning new kanji along with learning new vocabulary had a really good point. but the most important thing is to create a pace - not moving too fast or too slow - and always keep moving forwards, because if you're not moving forwards, then you're moving backwards. but this can be really difficult if you you don't have the rigid structure of a class.

besides that, i also learn new kanji whenever i keep seeing one unkown character again and again until my curiosity overtakes my laziness and i finally look it up in the dictionary :D

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Post by RWP » Sun 09.18.2005 4:31 pm

minna-san, arigatou gozaimasu

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Post by sparky » Sun 09.18.2005 5:19 pm

While we're on the subject of kanji and their "on" and "kun" readings, I'd just like to know if it's necessary to know exactly which readings are "kun" and which are "on". Or can we just be content that 人 can be read as [hito], [nin] and [jin], no matter which is what?

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Post by Harisenbon » Sun 09.18.2005 7:22 pm

Well, it's helpful to know which is which. For example, if you thought that ひと was the on-yomi and you said 人間 is ひとあいだ, you'd be very wrong. ;) on-yomi is generally used for compounds, while kun is used for single words. Note that I say generally, as there are exceptions.
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Post by skrhgh3b » Sun 09.18.2005 8:19 pm

Harisenbon wrote:
Well, it's helpful to know which is which. For example, if you thought that ひと was the on-yomi and you said 人間 is ひとあいだ, you'd be very wrong. ;) on-yomi is generally used for compounds, while kun is used for single words. Note that I say generally, as there are exceptions.



normally, i don't bother learning a reading until i learn a word that it's used in, otherwise i'll never remember the damn thing. so i occasionally learn new readings for familiar kanji when they creep up in new words.

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Post by Kates » Mon 09.19.2005 9:28 am

When you learn a new kanji, *I* think it is best practice to learn a new word that uses EACH of the yomi that kanji has. Most textbooks teach kanji in 'groups' too, (verb roots, adjectives, adverbs, nouns, etc) so it's easy to pair them up and learn one new word for two kanji. For example:

You study: 読 and 書. They are uses VERY commonly as 'yomu' and 'kaku,' (読む / 書く -- kun-yomi) but together they make "reading" (As in, "I like reading")--DOKUSHO. (読書) Now you can remember 読's on-yomi is DOKU and 書's on-yomi is SHO.
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Post by redfoxer » Wed 09.21.2005 6:59 pm

skrhgh3b wrote:
Harisenbon wrote:
Well, it's helpful to know which is which. For example, if you thought that ひと was the on-yomi and you said 人間 is ひとあいだ, you'd be very wrong. ;) on-yomi is generally used for compounds, while kun is used for single words. Note that I say generally, as there are exceptions.



normally, i don't bother learning a reading until i learn a word that it's used in, otherwise i'll never remember the damn thing. so i occasionally learn new readings for familiar kanji when they creep up in new words.


that is the exact same way i learn readings. i duno why, i find its much easier to remember readings when you see it actually compounded together or conjuguated or wat not. but thats me.
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Post by sparky » Wed 09.21.2005 7:55 pm

Thanks for the answer, you guys! ^__^

I'm a little relieved. I know a decent amount of kanji, but not exactly ALL the readings and which reading is what. :p

Arigatou!

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