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really low level corrections please...

Postby spinizuey » Wed 08.29.2007 12:58 am

I have Basic Kanji Book vol.1 and even though I love how it is organized, I hate how it doesn't give the answers in the back so I can at least see if I'm doing it right :(

I will give you the 10 questions, and please let me know if they are right or not... I'm especially confused by the use of "day"...

Instructions are to write the following in hiragana:

1. 100yen
1. ひゃくえん

2. 6,900yen
2. ろくせんきゅうひゃくえん。

3. 600yen
3. ろくびゃくえん。

4. 17,000yen
4. じゅうしちせねん。

5. 4 months
5. よっげつ。

6. 8 years
6. はちねん。

7. Professor Yamada's age is 49.
7. やまださんせんせいのとしよんじゅうくです。

8. This car costs 450,000yen.
8. このくるまは450,000えんです。

9. The mountain is 2,000 meters high.
9. あのやまはにせんメートルです。

10. One year has 365 days.
10. いちねんはさんびゃくろくじゅうごひです。

I'm also stumped with the use of "first day". After typing the hiragana into my computer, it says that つい is a reading of 一 . But the book doesn't give that as one of the readings. Is it specifically a word for "first"?

Thanks so much for your help. :)
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RE: really low level corrections please...

Postby marquis » Wed 08.29.2007 1:42 am

いちばん = first as far as I know.

I think for 7, I would have said something like:

やまだせんせいはよんじゅうきゅうさいです。

I could be wrong about that, however.
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RE: really low level corrections please...

Postby chikara » Wed 08.29.2007 2:15 am

spinizuey wrote:
... I'm also stumped with the use of "first day". After typing the hiragana into my computer, it says that つい is a reading of 一 . But the book doesn't give that as one of the readings. Is it specifically a word for "first"?
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marquis wrote:
いちばん = first as far as I know.

いちばん is "first", as in "number one", but not "first day" as far as I know.

If the OP is after "first day of the month" then it is 一日 (ついたち) and 一 has a reading of つい .

marquis wrote:
I think for 7, I would have said something like:

やまだせんせいはよんじゅうきゅうさいです。

.....

Yes it should be やまだせんせい not やまださんせんせい
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RE: really low level corrections please...

Postby spinizuey » Wed 08.29.2007 2:23 am

If the OP is after "first day of the month" then it is 一日 (ついたち) and 一 has a reading of つい (not vice versa)

一 has onyomi of イチ and イツ.


I realize that 一 has those onyomi, but where do you get つい out of those readings? Let alone たち -of which both aren't listed in my materials...
where was I supposed to learn those completely different readings?

edit: i didn't realize you edited.. ^^;;, thanks though. I guess I'm aggravated that this book didn't list those 2 readings, and then asked me to know them somehow.

Is this the only time つい&たち are used? for "first of the month"
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RE: really low level corrections please...

Postby a_iwai » Wed 08.29.2007 2:25 am

4. 17,000yen
4. じゅうしちせねん。→いちまんななせんえん。

In English, number is counted every three digits. On the other hand, number is counted every four digits in Japanese. However the comma is inserted every three digits as same as Western style.

1: いち
10: じゅう
100: ひゃく 百(hundred)

1000 (1,000): せん 千(thousand)
1_0000 (10,000): いちまん 一万 (ten thousand)
10_0000 (100,000): じゅうまん 叙?one hundred thousand)
100_0000 (1,000,000): ひゃくまん 百万(one million)
1000_0000 (10,000,000): せんまん 千万(ten million)
1_0000_0000 (100,000,000): いちおく 一億(one hundred million)
10_0000_0000 (1,000,000,000): じゅうおく 初ュ(one billion)
100_0000_0000 (10,000,000,000): ひゃくおく 百億(ten billion)
1000_0000_0000 (100,000,000,000): せんおく 千億(one hundred billion)
1_0000_0000_0000 (1,000,000,000,000): いっちょう 一兆(one trillion)
10_0000_0000_0000 (10,000,000,000,000): じゅっちょう 薯?ten trillion)
100_0000_0000_0000 (100,000,000,000,000): ひゃくちょう 百兆(one hundred trillion)
1000_0000_0000_0000 (1,000,000,000,000,000): せんちょう 千兆(one quadrillion)

けい 京(ten quadrillion)・・・・・
(To understand easily, underbars were inserted every four digits.)
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RE: really low level corrections please...

Postby chikara » Wed 08.29.2007 2:54 am

spinizuey wrote:
... I guess I'm aggravated that this book didn't list those 2 readings, and then asked me to know them somehow.

Is this the only time つい&たち are used? for "first of the month"

Welcome to the joys of learning kanji compounds. ;)

I'm not familiar with your particular text book so I don't know why it is expecting you to know a reading that it doesn't contain. I would however suggest that you learn the readings of kanji compounds as "words" and not by the multitude of possible readings of the individual kanji.

I see 一日 and read it as ついたち or いちにち depending on the context. That way I don't have to worry about the many readings of 一 and 日.
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RE: really low level corrections please...

Postby ss » Wed 08.29.2007 3:13 am

spinizuey wrote:
Is this the only time つい&たち are used? for "first of the month"


First day of the month is pronounced as ついたち。
9th of the month > ここのか
20th of the month > はつか

You may find this Numbers and Counting useful.

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I think there are some Japanese stories about ついたち, not so sure though.

ついたち is like Chinese character 朔日 (初=j, which also means 月的开始, new moon is the beginning of the month in Chinese calender.
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RE: really low level corrections please...

Postby Infidel » Wed 08.29.2007 4:45 am

3. 600yen
3. ろくびゃくえん。


ろっぴゃくえん

5. 4 months
5. よっげつ。


よんかげつ

8. This car costs 450,000yen.
8. このくるまは450,000えんです。


i thought you were trying to figure how to pronounce? よんじゅうごまんえん
9. The mountain is 2,000 meters high.
9. あのやまはにせんメートルです。


あのやまのたかさはにせんメートルです。
なるほど。
さっぱりわからん。
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RE: really low level corrections please...

Postby Yudan Taiteki » Wed 08.29.2007 8:54 am

ついたち is called a "jukujikun" -- it's a special reading for a compound that is not based on the on or kun yomi, but just on the meaning of the word.

So 一日 can be read as ついたち, but you can't break this down (i.e. you can't say that 一 is read as つい).

Other examples that show up early in Japanese studies are 今日(きょう) and 二藷?iはつか)
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RE: really low level corrections please...

Postby spinizuey » Wed 08.29.2007 11:26 pm

あのやまのたかさはにせんメートルです。


what does たかさ mean?
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RE: really low level corrections please...

Postby aKuMu » Wed 08.29.2007 11:41 pm

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RE: really low level corrections please...

Postby chikara » Wed 08.29.2007 11:48 pm

spinizuey wrote:
あのやまのたかさはにせんメートルです。


what does たかさ mean?

As aKuMu-san said height, 高さ.

I'm surprised you need to ask such simple questions on this forum. You can look up such meanings very quickly using Jim Breen's WWWJDIC Server.
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RE: really low level corrections please...

Postby spinizuey » Thu 08.30.2007 1:12 am

I'm sorry - I didn't even think to check there. I'm tired -.-;;
I'm familiar with the site and have used it often, I'll be sure to check there in the future!

Thanks for your help though.
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