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〜なくて 〜ないで

Postby Dehitay » Mon 09.03.2007 11:41 am

Is there a difference between these 2 verb endings or is it just a matter of knowing which one to use per situation. I want to say the former is the て form of the negative, and the latter is the て form of です following the negative form, but 〜ないで seems to be used in conjuction with あげる、 くれる, and もらう like the て form would be.
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RE: 〜なくて 〜ないで

Postby Shirasagi » Mon 09.03.2007 12:40 pm

There is a difference, and it is also a matter of knowing which one to use per situation.

なくて is the て form of adjectives formed by the negative of the verb. It acts just like the くて of any adjective, like 暑くて or 遠くて.

ないで is the て form of negative verbs. Compare:

やっていられない - I can't do it.
やらないでいられない - I must do it (lit. I can't not do it.)

彼を起こしてください。 - Please wake him up.
彼を起こさないでください。 - Please don't wake him up.

Edit: Much like light is both a particle and a wave, negated verbs in Japanese are both verbs and adjectives. (Or more precisely, 動詞 and 形容詞.) Which form you use depends on how you are using the ~ない form.
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RE: 〜なくて 〜ないで

Postby Rypermanji » Mon 09.03.2007 6:42 pm

食べないで is the negative -te form. It is used the same way as the -te form, when you want the verb to be negative. Such as 食べないでください Don't eat. (It may also be used to say "without eating" here, much like 食べず)
食べなくて is the -te form of the negative verb. That is to say, when using the -te form for example....for linking. When you need the -te form like this, of a negative verb, you woud use this form.(Wow that was terrible English.) So I didn't go to the store and I didn't eat breakfast would be 店へ行かなくて、朝ご飯を食べませんでした( or 食べなかった).

Hope that helps some^^ Japanese in Mangaland II has a good explanation on this.
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RE: 〜なくて 〜ないで

Postby coco » Mon 09.03.2007 8:57 pm

「V+ ないで」「V+なくて」は、使えるものと使えないものがあります。
「〜ずに」 も使える場合と、使えない場合があります。

1) 窓を閉めて寝た。(attendant circumstances(?))

2) 筆を使って手紙を書いた。(way/instrument)

3) 先生が来て静かになった。(reason)

4) お小遣いで本を買いました。(reason)

5) 田中さんは遠足に行って、森本さんは行かなかった。(parallel)

6) 雨は降りませんでした。その代わりに雪が降りました。(instead)

7) 就職が決まったら髪の毛を染めるつもりだ。( V+ないでおく)

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編集: 「〜ずに」も口語では使われることがあるので△にしました。
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