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Postby Wakannai » Tue 10.23.2007 7:48 pm

Police said the official spent several minutes fondling the woman's breasts as they traveled from Shinkoiwa to Kinshicho stations on the JR Sobu Line on the morning of Oct. 4. When they arrived at the station, the woman grabbed the official and handed him over to the police.

http://mdn.mainichi.jp/national/news/20071023p2a00m0na022000c.html

It's not as if I couldn't wax poetic about the joys of porn, but stuff like this really gets me. I.e, people that cant differentiate between reality and fantasy. While porn is not referenced in the article cited, the chikan theme occurs all too often and in fantasy it can be pretty cool. But some people don't get the dividing line between fiction and real life, and please don't anyone come on here and claim that this is a particularly Japanese issue. There are people everywhere that just don't get that what happens on TV isn't appropriate IRL. The only Japanese issue here are trains so packed that a woman can't turn around and drop kick idiots like this, or at least ram an elbow under his chin, knee him between the legs or spray his face with mace without getting it on anyone else.

In the fantasy, victim resists at first and then realizes that "Golly, being molested is pretty great, I'm so glad I was molested." and possibly comes back for a repeat. In the reality, I'm sure there are some girls like this too, after all, people come in all types. But it's like playing reverse Russian roulette, i.e, instead of one bullet and the other chambers empty, there is one empty chamber and all the rest have bullets.

Not the smartest way to go.

If a man molests a woman and she likes it, he's not just lucky, he's really really really really really lucky. As in, he used up all his good luck for his lifetime and will suffer misfortune until the day he dies.
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Postby doinkies » Tue 10.23.2007 11:23 pm

Considering there's no indication that this official had a habit of watching that type of porn, I don't think that you should jump to conclusions and blame it on porn.
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Postby Wakannai » Tue 10.23.2007 11:33 pm

It does say he's a male, and males watch porn. Any male that says otherwise is lying. Even if a man doesn't have a TV, he can still draw naked girls in the sand.

Not that I'm blaming the porn. I'm blaming the guy for confusing fantasy with reality.
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Postby HeyItsMatt » Tue 10.23.2007 11:49 pm

Wakannai wrote:
It does say he's a male, and males watch porn. Any male that says otherwise is lying. Even if a man doesn't have a TV, he can still draw naked girls in the sand.

Not that I'm blaming the porn. I'm blaming the guy for confusing fantasy with reality.


your title is a bit misleading then.

Honestly I think bringing up porn at all is pretty random. I think it's more likely that the guy is just a pervert than someone with a fractured sense of reality vs. fantasy. People don't need to be irrational to be scumbags.

It's a shame the woman had to take that for several minutes, instead of being able to just immediately knee him in the crotch. Also, that article's title pun was physically painful... eyarrhgh!
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Postby doinkies » Wed 10.24.2007 2:08 am

Mainichi always has those stupid puns in their headlines...:roll:

But yeah, unfortunately, really crowded trains make it hard for people to defend themselves from chikan. At least the woman reported this doink.
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Postby two_heads_talking » Wed 10.24.2007 10:23 am

Wakannai wrote:
It does say he's a male, and males watch porn. Any male that says otherwise is lying. Even if a man doesn't have a TV, he can still draw naked girls in the sand.

Not that I'm blaming the porn. I'm blaming the guy for confusing fantasy with reality.


ok, just being male does not make someone an addict to porn. And you can call me alier all you want, but it still won't ring true. I have no need for it..never had, never will. but I won't go on a rant of my opinions of porn and those that choose to be devoured by it.
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Postby tanuki » Wed 10.24.2007 12:26 pm

I agree with HeyItsMatt.

You don't know anything about the guy, so drawing the conclusion that porn was the cause is quite farfetched.
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Postby Rypervenche » Wed 10.24.2007 12:27 pm

I agree with Wakannai and two_heads_talking, while I have for a good part of my life watched porn, I have stopped, thanks to the views of my girlfriend, and at first it was hard, but now I couldn't be happier. Porn IS a bad thing, in my opinion. It degrades women, makes a lot of men think that this is the way women should be treated and the way sex should be performed, and they do not respect women because of it. I don't want to get too graphic in here, but when you don't watch porn, things get a lot better if you let nature bring it up rather than naked women on a screen.

Stop wasting your time and money on porn and go out and meet a nice woman and start thinking about a future....and who can do things to and with you in real life (no way they do that?!?).

As for this case, I can't say this guy's case is due to porn, but it's quite possible it had something to do with it, who knows.
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Postby prep_girl_Nessa » Wed 10.24.2007 12:33 pm

Rypervenche wrote:
I agree with Wakannai and two_heads_talking, while I have for a good part of my life watched porn, I have stopped, thanks to the views of my girlfriend, and at first it was hard, but now I couldn't be happier. Porn IS a bad thing, in my opinion. It degrades women, makes a lot of men think that this is the way women should be treated and the way sex should be performed, and they do not respect women because of it. I don't want to get too graphic in here, but when you don't watch porn, things get a lot better if you let nature bring it up rather than naked women on a screen.

Stop wasting your time and money on porn and go out and meet a nice woman and start thinking about a future....and who can do things to and with you in real life (no way they do that?!?).


Finally, an intelligent guy!! I don't see the point in that kind of stuff. (I can't speak from experience, though, I've never seen one.) I wish guys would stop watching chicks who are as skinny as sticks doing gross things and just get a real woman xP
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Postby Wakannai » Wed 10.24.2007 1:16 pm

HeyItsMatt wrote:

your title is a bit misleading then.


But tell me it's not a catchy title :)

ok, just being male does not make someone an addict to porn. And you can call me alier all you want, but it still won't ring true. I have no need for it..never had, never will.


Are you trying to say the stereotype is wrong? Stereotypes are always correct. I thought everyone knew that.
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Postby Chris Hart » Wed 10.24.2007 3:23 pm

Wakannai wrote:
Are you trying to say the stereotype is wrong? Stereotypes are always correct. I thought everyone knew that.

I agree. Just like everyone here loves anime, has no life, and will gladly give you accurate translations for your next tatoo.
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Postby bombush » Wed 10.24.2007 5:08 pm

I would like to look at it from the other side. Everyone has some sexual desires - especially in adolescence. Now we have here an adolescent guy who desperately needs to blow some steam off. He has no girlfriend at the time. Now he is faced with two options: find a girlfriend or spend few "happy" moment with some porn. Which would be better to choose? In my personal opinion it is much better to "use" the porn than to look for a girl just because he has a hormonal surge. Maybe I'm a little out of this world but I believe that a guy should get a girl because he likes her character, they have a lot in common or so. Trying to start a relationship just to satisfy your sexual needs is in my opinion a lot of wasted time and effort which can ultimately result in a lot of pain for the girl (of course if she doesn't feel the same, which I believe isn't much often).
Well. That can be one reason why porn isn't so bad. Another thing are people with various sexual deviations who can use some kind of hentai to blunt their desires.

But I definitely have to agree that most of the porn production is just disgusting. I mean - the actors sometimes look more like robots than people. Not to mention the slave/master kind of relationship which can often be observed.

So to wrap it up: porn isn't a bad thing as a way of relief if you have no other way. But it definitely isn't good when it starts to interfere with your normal life or if it becomes a textbook of sex.

"Every guy watches porn" - well I guess it's true for the most of us but there are still people who get through their life without any need of these things. Good for you, guys.
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Postby Tspoonami » Wed 10.24.2007 5:26 pm

Would I be wrong to say that the price of an actual relationship will probably exceed the price of pornography? Movie tickets, fancy dinners, nice gifts, etc. will drain your wallet than something that you can get for free. I'm just throwing that out there for you people to chew on...

I think that the link between this 37-year-old official and pornography is ill-considered. There is no evidence in the article that the man looks at or looked at pornography. The fondling of breasts is certainly not caused by viewing pornography; someone would have had to invent it before they could film it, so it's been around longer, I guarantee you. It's part of natural male attraction to breasts, and the natural male attraction to touching breasts. People were probably doing that before they even made paintings on cave walls. So, I disagree with the rash conclusion that pornography led that man to do what he did.

Also, this is not a very family-friendly topic, I think...
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Postby Igirisu_gaz » Wed 10.24.2007 8:23 pm

Tspoonami wrote:
Also, this is not a very family-friendly topic, I think...


But admittedly a lively debate. Although I agree with the basic point that the sudden attributation of a man fondling a lady on the train to that of the porn industry seems like something of an odd route to go down. On the flip side of the coin, what if the guy had no access to porn? How would that have worked? Would he have gone completley insane and done something worse? Would he have made good use of his imagination and imagine perhaps more perverted scenarios? IS that what he was doing anyway? No one really knows.

However there are no positive benefits to being a porn otaku, if you have the kind of character easily influenced by such type of media, conceivably it could lead to innapropriate behaviour. Although if you have that kind of character, then it could easily be something else that sets you off. Save mass censorship of everything, which would be ridiculous, there isn't much you can do about it. I don't really see any need to take issue with people watching porn either.

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Who actually pays for porn in this day and age? :)
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Postby tanuki » Wed 10.24.2007 8:32 pm

Tspoonami wrote:
Would I be wrong to say that the price of an actual relationship will probably exceed the price of pornography?


Absolutely not! I think I have spent more money on a single date than I have in porn in my whole life. Don't forget: Internet is for porn! ;)
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