honorifics.

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honorifics.

Post by guitarplayer7694 » Fri 12.07.2007 1:13 pm

i wikied kun,and found out when to use the honorifics and was thinking if i go to japan should i use sama just to keep from offending any one.also wiki said that non-Japanese people my have the honorific dropped in japan, truth or not.

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RE: honorifics.

Post by richvh » Fri 12.07.2007 1:30 pm

"Sama" is overboard; "san" should be sufficiently polite in most circumstances.
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RE: honorifics.

Post by Dehitay » Fri 12.07.2007 1:43 pm

I don't think many Japanese people are going to drop the honorific from a foreigner's name. Even when speaking in English, it's not rare for them to continue using the honorific. I always feel kind of weird when they use both the Japanese honorific and English titles since I tend to think they're basically the same thing.
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RE: honorifics.

Post by Yudan Taiteki » Fri 12.07.2007 2:04 pm

In my experience it was very common for people to refer to me with no honorific.
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Post by AJBryant » Fri 12.07.2007 10:01 pm

No comment.

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I pretty much always got a -san, but I worked in a rather professional place, and as a newspaper editor people tended to behave a bit more respectfully to me officially. Off the clock, I still got the san but it was usually attached to "okyaku-" and so on.

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Post by Tspoonami » Fri 12.07.2007 11:54 pm

My father recently worked with some Japanese scientists, who emailed him in English but still put -san after their names. He thought it was quite funny, since there was around 20 of them... He also asked me if he should respond to them with -san after their names.
Sometimes I think that I'm afraid of thinking, and that scares me.

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RE: honorifics.

Post by coco » Sat 12.08.2007 12:11 am

Tspoonami wrote:
My father recently worked with some Japanese scientists, who emailed him in English but still put -san after their names. He thought it was quite funny, since there was around 20 of them... He also asked me if he should respond to them with -san after their names.
:D その日本人の方々の気持ちも、お父さまのお気持ちも、よくわかります。
で、Tspoonami-san は、なんて答えたの?

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RE: honorifics.

Post by Tspoonami » Sat 12.08.2007 12:52 am

coco wrote:
:D その日本人の方々の気持ちも、お父さまのお気持ちも、よくわかります。
で、Tspoonami-san は、なんて答えたの?
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Post by oKawa » Sat 12.08.2007 1:26 am

I've always seen 様 sama in letters, but they were older generations of relatives I have not met, and letters from other's, like a city office also used sama.

If it's confusing, I've heard it's okay to address them the same way they address you, but I'm not sure about that? It might depend on how much you know the person or if they are your superiors. If you know them or it's a social group, such as this site, then I'm sure it's appropriate to use san.

I think that dropping any of them would be rude.

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RE: honorifics.

Post by Mike Cash » Sat 12.08.2007 6:46 am

Dehitay wrote:
I don't think many Japanese people are going to drop the honorific from a foreigner's name.
I have always found Japanese people dropping honorifics (呼び捨て) from foreigners' names to be the rule rather than the exception.
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RE: honorifics.

Post by guitarplayer7694 » Sat 12.08.2007 12:37 pm

probly not the best idea but what if while you are talking to them they drop the honorific,so you mutter yobisute.(or would it be rude)

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Post by Shirasagi » Sat 12.08.2007 2:41 pm

guitarplayer7694, just use "san" until someone tells you not to use "san". It's pretty straightforward.
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RE: honorifics.

Post by coco » Sat 12.08.2007 7:35 pm

「「さん」とより「Dr.」と書いた方がいいとおもいます」と言った~
なるほど、ありがとう。返信がどう変わるか楽しみですね。 :)

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RE: honorifics.

Post by under___attack » Sun 12.09.2007 3:03 am

I think the droping of the honorific
in foriegn names (especially western names)
can be seen as trying to make the person more
comfortable with the languge, like how a hand
shake is more common then a bow to a foreigner.
And personally with my limited knowledge of Japanese
I won't drop "san" for anyone, lest I'm speaking in English.

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RE: honorifics.

Post by two_heads_talking » Mon 12.10.2007 10:36 am

guitarplayer7694 wrote:
probly not the best idea but what if while you are talking to them they drop the honorific,so you mutter yobisute.(or would it be rude)
muttering is considered rude, whether it is in Japanese or any other language. :o

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