Wedding Celebrants

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Wedding Celebrants

Post by bobbywafre » Thu 06.05.2008 12:25 am

Wedding celebrations are regarded as an ordinary service business in Japan.

Most wedding agencies like to recruit foreigners to conduct the Christian-style events. However, these paid employees are required to have either:

a) a permanent residency visa
b) a spouse of Japanese visa
c) an extension of activities permitted on another visa, or
d) a religious activities visa

Why is an Entertainer Visa or Humanities Visa not acceptable?

I contacted my local Immigration Offices (Osaka and Kobe) who couldn't answer the question and they suggested I contact the Tokyo office ---- who in turn sent me back to my local office....

Does anyone know?

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Re: Wedding Celebrants

Post by chikara » Thu 06.05.2008 12:32 am

bobbywafre wrote:.... Why is an Entertainer Visa .... not acceptable? .....

Because Japan is not Las Vegas :P

Sorry, but I have no idea. :oops:
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Re: Wedding Celebrants

Post by bobbywafre » Thu 06.05.2008 1:21 am

chikara wrote:Because Japan is not Las Vegas :P


Funnily enough...A Japanese wedding company is looking for a branch manager at Las Vegas.

Seriously though, if anyone knows any leads (Japanese OK) to get my question answered I'd really appreciate it.

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Re: Wedding Celebrants

Post by coco » Thu 06.05.2008 4:50 am

bobbywafre wrote:Why is an Entertainer Visa or Humanities Visa not acceptable?

I contacted my local Immigration Offices (Osaka and Kobe) who couldn't answer the question and they suggested I contact the Tokyo office ---- who in turn sent me back to my local office....

Does anyone know?

それは単に雇用契約上の条件で、入国管理局とは関係のない問題だと思われます。
直接、結構式場(人材募集企業) に問い合わせてみることをお勧めします。

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Re: Wedding Celebrants

Post by bobbywafre » Thu 06.05.2008 5:33 am

お返事ありがとう、
けど、「材募集企業」は何かな?たとえばURLありますか?

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Re: Wedding Celebrants

Post by becki_kanou » Thu 06.05.2008 6:05 am

人材募集企業= Human Resources Recruiting Company

So, since it's not a problem with the Immigration Department itsef, you should ask the people at whichever recruitment agency, wedding chapel, etc. that you want to find the job at.
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Re: Wedding Celebrants

Post by bobbywafre » Thu 06.05.2008 6:50 am

Uhhh..yeah.. I'm not looking for a job -- perhaps I should have made that clear. I'm trying to find out why a Humanities Visa or Entertainers Visa is not acceptable for something which is considered as an 'acting role' by many in the industry. Does anyone know what Gov't department I should try and approach for an answer?

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Re: Wedding Celebrants

Post by Wakannai » Thu 06.05.2008 7:06 am

I think the operative word here is "many" being that it is not "everyone"

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Re: Wedding Celebrants

Post by bobbywafre » Thu 06.05.2008 9:29 am

Good, so if the reality is in fact 'most' regard it as an acting job (there are estimates of 80% of celebrants are not ordained) and if market forces fully functioning (commonly I hear 'the participants don't care'); then why are there such requirements of celebrants?

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Re: Wedding Celebrants

Post by richvh » Thu 06.05.2008 9:35 am

"Many in the industry" does not translate to "most in government." The wedding industry is not in charge of setting visa requirements.
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Re: Wedding Celebrants

Post by Yudan Taiteki » Thu 06.05.2008 9:38 am

Also, Japan is notoriously strict on their visa requirements, so I don't find this surprising at all.
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Re: Wedding Celebrants

Post by coco » Thu 06.05.2008 11:38 am

bobbywafre wrote:Uhhh..yeah.. I'm not looking for a job -- perhaps I should have made that clear. I'm trying to find out why a Humanities Visa or Entertainers Visa is not acceptable for something which is considered as an 'acting role' by many in the industry. Does anyone know what Gov't department I should try and approach for an answer?


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それでも行政の見解を聞きたいのであれば、
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そこで気がすむまで質問してみてください。 

そこまでせずとも常識で考えれば答えは明白です。
実態はどうあれ、興行ビザ資格で在留する外国人を偽神父・偽牧師として雇用する募集広告を出す結婚式場(ブライダルビジネス事業者)の評判が良くなると思いますか。それを公の就職情報として載せれば、結婚式が芸能活動であることを認めることになります。
また教会が「興行ビザ」資格者を結婚式のために募集するとは思えません。

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Re: Wedding Celebrants

Post by bobbywafre » Fri 06.13.2008 6:36 am

Well I sent an email to BIA and followed it up with a phonecall.... I hope they will come up with an answer. Thanks again for the info cocosan.

In the meantime I thought of another question: Do the couples actually have to be married before they have their wedding celebration? I know I could just call a wedding parlour to find out but does anyone here know?

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Re: Wedding Celebrants

Post by coco » Fri 06.13.2008 6:52 am

bobbywafre wrote:In the meantime I thought of another question: Do the couples actually have to be married before they have their wedding celebration?

入籍を先に済ます人もいれば、結婚式を挙げて新婚旅行に行き、
そのまま別れしまって、「戸籍は無傷」という人もいます。
もちろん式の当日に婚姻届けを出す人もいます。
結婚式は婚姻の必要条件ではありません。

http://allabout.co.jp/relationship/wedding/
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Re: Wedding Celebrants

Post by two_heads_talking » Fri 06.13.2008 9:29 am

bobbywafre wrote:Well I sent an email to BIA and followed it up with a phonecall.... I hope they will come up with an answer. Thanks again for the info cocosan.


Do you mean you hope they come up with an answer you like? I hope you aren't holding your breat for that.. :mrgreen:

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