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Postby tk101 » Thu 10.20.2005 7:35 pm

i often see da and na used in japanese but i have no clue what they mean...can anyone explain this?

also what does this mean...
un, ki-iroi wa suki da shi, furuino mo suki da yo
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RE: needs some help with da and na...

Postby ryuubu » Thu 10.20.2005 9:27 pm

un, ki-iroi wa suki da shi, furuino mo suki da yo
うん、黄色いは好きだし、古いのも好きだよ。

= Yeah I like the yellow one and I also like the old one.

It seem's you're a beginner at Japanese, so you shouldn't worry to much about da and na.

But in any case, da is identified with the verb 'to be' and na can have a few meanings but can put emphasis on what was just said.
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RE: needs some help with da and na...

Postby mandolin » Thu 10.20.2005 10:52 pm

gah, I just responded to this same question. TK, DON'T make 2 threads on the same topic.. edit an old one.
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RE: needs some help with da and na...

Postby tk101 » Fri 10.21.2005 4:50 pm

Ryuubu.... thanks for the explaination... but i 'm not a begineerin at japanese.
I have been learninf it for just about 2 years


sorry about making two topics... it was an accident
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RE: needs some help with da and na...

Postby mandolin » Sat 10.22.2005 1:20 am

Eeh.. length of time doesn't really make you less than a beginner. I've been at learning japanese for over 4 years now, and I am -still- a beginner. :P

"Da" is a very beginner concept. It is quite simply the plain form (dictionary form) of "desu".

"Na" (sometimes 'naa') at the end of a sentence is an emotion marker.

Na is like ne, except 'na' isn't really looking for agreement from anyone like 'ne' is. Often used when speaking to one's self (even if there's other people nearby). So... 'ne' wants a response, but 'na/naa' does not.

Like ryuubu said, it adds emphasis.. indicates a strong feeling. The 'aaa' sound gets stretched out longer the more emphatic the speaker is. :P

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A question of my own regarding that sentence...

What is the 'shi' in 'da shi'? Is it the suffix that pertains to some sort of order of things (next, last, etc). If so, does it modify the meaning any? What if the same sentence was said without 'shi'?

If someone could explain a bit.. thanks!
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Postby nprz » Sat 10.22.2005 3:06 am

~shi implies that there is more than whatever shi was attached to.
using that ex:
ki-iroi wa suki da shi, furuino mo suki da yo
I like the yellow one (and what's more), I like the old one as well.

Of course as with almost everything in Japanese, you don't need to add what is more, but that ~shi implies that there is more. It doesn't have to be only one thing that is more, you can tack on multiple ~shi statements.

yasashiishi, kirei dashi, suteki na hito. :)
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Postby InsanityRanch » Sat 10.22.2005 10:32 am

One other thing about 'na'. Sometimes it is substituted for "da".

For instance, you can add "no da/no desu/nda/ndesu" to a sentence to make it... how to explain? Well, emphatic maybe. Sort of like, "This is how it is: .........."

So, for example: Kare ha inai. He's not here.
Ima, kare ha inain desu. The thing is, he's not here right now... (I imagine this said in kind of a soft, tentative way...)

If the sentence ends in a verb, you just add "no da/no desu/nda/ndesu". But if it is a copular sentence you change da to na first.

Kare ha isha da. He's a doctor. Statement of fact.

But suppose your friend tells you she really likes this guy but he is SO arrogant! You might say: Kare ha, isha na no da. He's a doctor. (implying, so what do you expect?)

Bottom line, there are a lot of uses of "na". "Da" is a lot simpler!

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RE: needs some help with da and na...

Postby KeroGero » Sat 10.22.2005 4:02 pm

「な」, or 「なぁ」 when used like 「ね」 is more commonly used by men. That's not to say that women can't use it, just that they usually don't because it's seen as strong and unfeminine.
「な」 is also used to describe nouns, this usage doesn't really have a speciffic meaning, it's just a grammar thing and has no connection to the sentence ender 「な」.
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