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Postby miha » Sun 08.10.2008 2:24 am

Mixi に載っていた個人的な意見ですが、確認したいことがあります。

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deal withは基本的に口語的な表現。with, in, out, off などを動詞のあとに付けるのは、口語的な響きが強くすることが多く、deal 自体、取り組みたくないようなウザイものに取り組むという、一種スラング的なニュアンスもあり、そしてこれはまた真摯な気持ちを薄くすることにつながることにもあるため、とくにこの場合、デリケートな話になればなるほど、失言などには、とくに新聞などの報道機関は、配慮するべきであり、口語的な表現は一切使うべきでないと思います。

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これは、ほんとうでしょうか?
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Re: deal with

Postby clay » Sun 08.10.2008 3:02 am

取り組みたくないようなウザイものに取り組むという


Saying "Deal with it." to someone can mean that. "Take care of it yourself. It's not my problem."

"It's not my job. You deal with it." (a little inconsiderate)


Or it can just mean "fix it."

(to the Apartment manager) "The sink needs fixing. Can you deal with it?" (not impolite)


Or it can mean, "Get over it."

I remember in high school a friend wrote in my year book, "Elvis is dead; deal with it." (come to grips with reality and get over it)
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Re: deal with

Postby miha » Sun 08.10.2008 4:19 am

clayさん、すぐに返事を書いてくれてありがとうございます。

と、言うことは、

miha wrote
これは、ほんとうでしょうか?


ほんとう と言うことですか?私は、いい場合と悪い場合とどちらも50%ぐらいあると思っていました。
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Re: deal with

Postby clay » Sun 08.10.2008 4:42 am

Note usually it is "deal with it"

It probably isn't a very nice thing to say if you are commanding someone to "deal with it." I can't think of a case where it would be nice to tell someone "deal with it."

So I guess it is true adding 'with' or other prepositions after a verb can be casual or even rough. 'Shut up' obviously. But I don't know if that is a universal rule.
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Re: deal with

Postby miha » Sun 08.10.2008 8:59 am

わかりました。そのような場合、deal with が negativeなニュアンスがあるというのはわかりました。

では、次のような場合のヘッドラインの deal は、
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/ ... 804a1.html

私自身は、neutral だと思います。
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Re: deal with

Postby AJBryant » Sun 08.10.2008 12:16 pm

miha wrote:わかりました。そのような場合、deal with が negativeなニュアンスがあるというのはわかりました。


Not really.

"Deal with it." (strong emphasis on "deal") is very dismissive, and does have a negative connotation.

"Can you deal with this/it?" or "John will deal with it" are very neutral.

It's the dismissive tone of JUST "deal with it" and how it's being used that makes it negative.

では、次のような場合のヘッドラインの deal は、
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/ ... 804a1.html

私自身は、neutral だと思います。


Correct. :)

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Re: deal with

Postby clay » Sun 08.10.2008 5:59 pm

Tony says things so concisely. :P I need to practice thinking about English.
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Re: deal with

Postby miha » Mon 08.11.2008 12:49 am

>clayさん、AJBryantさん

説明をありがとう。わかりました。
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Re: deal with

Postby AJBryant » Mon 08.11.2008 3:33 am

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Re: deal with

Postby hyperconjugated » Mon 08.11.2008 9:28 am

When James Brown says he has to "deal with you", things can get ugly fast!
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"Took my money, you got my honey
Don't want me to see what you doing to me
I got to get back I gotta deal with you!!"
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