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Ninja and Samurai

Post by linkya » Fri 09.19.2008 7:00 am

I'm going to make a thesis about Ninja and Samurai in 4th year in university (i'm just 2nd year student now) :oops: <<I want to have more time to find information, so when I found a topic I like, I decided to start immediately.>>

I know Ninja and Samurai have a big difference and I think it'll be interesting topic.
Compare history of Ninja and Samurai and explain why Japanese treat them very difference (many old Japanese didn't respect Ninja).
But I love Ninja.They served their Lord,died for them and had a lot of skill than Samurai (I like Samurai also). :D

But I don't know which book I should read because there are too many books about Ninja and Samurai. :?

Can you recommend some books for me which can give me useful information?

Thanks in advance

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Re: Ninja and Samurai

Post by AJBryant » Sat 09.20.2008 2:01 am

No, they DON'T have a different history.

Once you get beyond Hollywood or the Bujinkan bullcrap, ninja *were* samurai.

They were, essentially, Special Ops. They had a special mission, they did it.

I get so tired of going over this so many times.

Classic example: one of the most famous "ninja" was Hattori Hanzo -- who happens to have been one of Tokugawa Ieyasu's GENERALS. The guy had an estate in front of Edo Castle, for crying out loud.

You might want to visit the forum at Samurai Archives and read some of the threads there.


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Re: Ninja and Samurai

Post by Mike Cash » Sat 09.20.2008 4:49 am

Tony is one of the world's most notorious ninja deniers. Go to this website for the REAL straight dope about ninja.
Never underestimate my capacity for pettiness.

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Re: Ninja and Samurai

Post by linkya » Sat 09.20.2008 5:58 am

Once you get beyond Hollywood or the Bujinkan bullcrap, ninja *were* samurai.


:shock: Oh, really?
But Ninja were spy and Samurai were warriors.
Hum
I need rethink this.
Have you recommend me some books I can get that information?

I think in 1 webpage it's not enough for me/

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Re: Ninja and Samurai

Post by solidsnake360 » Sat 09.20.2008 6:11 am

Mike Cash wrote:Tony is one of the world's most notorious ninja deniers. Go to this website for the REAL straight dope about ninja.

HAHA Mike, I remember finding that website years ago, thanks for bringing back those great memories.

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Re: Ninja and Samurai

Post by linkya » Tue 09.23.2008 9:28 am

:cry: :cry: No one help me??????????????
I'm gonna die soon.

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Re: Ninja and Samurai

Post by Yudan Taiteki » Tue 09.23.2008 11:27 am

If this is your thesis, shouldn't you be able to do some of the research yourself? I don't think many people on the board know that much about samurai or ninja.
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Re: Ninja and Samurai

Post by two_heads_talking » Tue 09.23.2008 11:56 am

AJBryant wrote:No, they DON'T have a different history.

Once you get beyond Hollywood or the Bujinkan bullcrap, ninja *were* samurai.

They were, essentially, Special Ops. They had a special mission, they did it.

I get so tired of going over this so many times.

Classic example: one of the most famous "ninja" was Hattori Hanzo -- who happens to have been one of Tokugawa Ieyasu's GENERALS. The guy had an estate in front of Edo Castle, for crying out loud.

You might want to visit the forum at Samurai Archives and read some of the threads there.

Tony





oh NOES!! NINJA VS SAMURAI..

"Ninjas are fast, smooth, cool, strong, powerful, and sweet. I can't wait to start yoga next year. I love ninjas with all of my body (including my pee pee)."

ON A side note, isn't there some variance on whether the ninja were all samurai? I was under the impression (and I think we've debated this before) that some "ninja" came from the farming communities and were only defending themselves against the "complete power" of the Samurai. (edit) afterthought. could it also be that these farming communities were just fronts for "ninja" clans?

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Re: Ninja and Samurai

Post by AJBryant » Tue 09.23.2008 12:27 pm

linkya wrote::cry: :cry: No one help me??????????????
I'm gonna die soon.


Didja READ my post?


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Re: Ninja and Samurai

Post by linkya » Wed 09.24.2008 10:27 am

I read it.
But some threads are not enough for me.

and you said "Ninja were Samurai" .
can you give me the source you get that information?

in my country, I can't find any books about Ninja

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Re: Ninja and Samurai

Post by hyperconjugated » Wed 09.24.2008 11:52 am

Important goal when studying in university is to become an independent researcher. You can ask pointers from people on the internet etc. but what you cannot do is wait for an tailored answer to appear on some discussion forum. You probably should consult your professor/assistant/tutor or whatever how to use different study resources available at your faculty. That's what they are paid to do.
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Re: Ninja and Samurai

Post by two_heads_talking » Wed 09.24.2008 12:41 pm

linkya wrote:I read it.
But some threads are not enough for me.

and you said "Ninja were Samurai" .
can you give me the source you get that information?

in my country, I can't find any books about Ninja


There are a few books that you could reference. Try doing a search on Amazon.com under the author name A J Bryant and see what you come up with.. :)

Edit: as mentioned below.. Anthony J. Bryant is what you should look up. :mrgreen:
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Re: Ninja and Samurai

Post by AJBryant » Wed 09.24.2008 7:33 pm

Actually, they're under "Anthony J. Bryant" ;)


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Re: Ninja and Samurai

Post by chikara » Wed 09.24.2008 8:00 pm

AJBryant wrote:Actually, they're under "Anthony J. Bryant" ;)

Anthony-san, if I buy these books frequently bought together how do I get the author to sign them? :)
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Re: Ninja and Samurai

Post by two_heads_talking » Thu 09.25.2008 10:50 am

AJBryant wrote:Actually, they're under "Anthony J. Bryant" ;)


Tony


My apologies.. I actually found a few of your books using A. J. Bryant. I will fix that..

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