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悪夢にうなされる

Postby Infidel » Sun 11.06.2005 3:56 am

This was a recent phrase of the day on about. My question is why the redundancy? If Unasareru means have a nightmare, why even include akumu. Why not just Unasareru or akumu o suru?
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RE: 悪夢にうなされる

Postby coco » Sun 11.06.2005 12:11 pm

うなされる= groan [moan] while sleeping.
悪夢(あくむ)にうなされる = moan /groan in (one's) nightmare

「うなされる」is a "intransitive verb". ( Although seems like "transitive verb" , We don't have a word 「うなす」.)

you can say 「悪夢を 見て うなされた」 >夢を見る

(悪夢にうなされた =悪夢を見て、うなされた)
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RE: 悪夢にうなされる

Postby Infidel » Sun 11.06.2005 8:42 pm

wierd all my dictionaries including jdic say unasareru means to have a nightmare. Nothing about groaning is mentioned. If it means groan while sleeping then it makes much more sense. Thanks.
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RE: 悪夢にうなされる

Postby Harisenbon » Sun 11.06.2005 11:12 pm

From the スーパー大辞林
魘される
恐ろしい夢などをみて、眠ったまま苦しそうな声をあげる。「悪夢にうなされる」
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RE: 悪夢にうなされる

Postby coco » Sun 11.06.2005 11:24 pm

ishnar wrote:
wierd all my dictionaries including jdic say unasareru means to have a nightmare. Nothing about groaning is mentioned.


yes I've also checked my dictionaries too, its showed
[うなされる=have a nightmare]as you said.
So it is natural to have a question like you.

However,Japanese -Japanese dictionary says
うなされる-----恐ろしい夢などをみて、眠ったまま苦しそうな声をあげる。
           (you can say 声を出す instead of声をあげる)

I wonder why うなされる was translated as 「have a nightmare」.
・・・A scholar must be groaning all the time......
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RE: 悪夢にうなされる

Postby AJBryant » Mon 11.07.2005 1:21 pm

Well, you can't groan from a nightmare without *having* the nightmare... ;)

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RE: 悪夢にうなされる

Postby Harisenbon » Mon 11.07.2005 9:36 pm

However, the verb does not refer to having the nightmare as much as the whimper or groan that comes as a result of it. To have a nightmare is simply 悪夢を見た。
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RE: 悪夢にうなされる

Postby InsanityRanch » Tue 11.08.2005 12:39 am

One important point is that 悪夢にうなされる is a set phrase in Japanese. Even if it did not make sense, it's worth memorizing as is.

Another one (found by googling) is 熱にうなされる -- to suffer from a fever.

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RE: 悪夢にうなされる

Postby Kates » Wed 11.09.2005 11:40 am

So apparently this 'うなされる' implies (or perhaps emphasizes) SUFFERING because of something, instead of just experiencing it.

coco-san told us it was intransitive (without a transative partner... interesting), but it also appears to be causative--される is a causative form, right? Or is causative only させる/させられる? (I can't remember all the correct conjugations at the moment....)
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