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Question about Hiragana

Postby devney » Mon 01.12.2009 8:57 pm

I've learnt the basic 46 hiragana but i noticed on some sites a load more under the title hiragana such as が, ぎ for examples and also these ones きゃ, きゅ.So one what are they and two should i learn them now before i move off hiragana.
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Re: Question about Hiragana

Postby NocturnalOcean » Mon 01.12.2009 9:04 pm

Yes you should learn them.

They represent such things as "kya", "kyu", "kyo" and so forth.
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Re: Question about Hiragana

Postby Dustin » Mon 01.12.2009 9:05 pm

All of them are CRUCIALLY important, it is basically like learning half the alpabet and not the other half, it's just the way they organize their sounds with voiced/unvoiced versions, as well as glides, without these you will not be able to read much at all
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Re: Question about Hiragana

Postby chikara » Mon 01.12.2009 9:13 pm

As others have said you must learn them.

They are called ようおん (拗音) or "diphthongs". This Wikipedia page contains a chart of them.
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Re: Question about Hiragana

Postby devney » Mon 01.12.2009 9:35 pm

I'm officially depressed now,ha i thought i was done but im only half way and by the looks of the katakana theres even more to learn off there too.
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Re: Question about Hiragana

Postby Dustin » Mon 01.12.2009 9:45 pm

Don't worry, the road to Japanese takes many years, it's about taking continuous small steps.
Imagine how fun Kanji will be ;) hey only 1945 general use kanji so you'll be ok
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Re: Question about Hiragana

Postby chikara » Mon 01.12.2009 9:45 pm

devney wrote:I'm officially depressed now ....

がんばって :)
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Re: Question about Hiragana

Postby NocturnalOcean » Mon 01.12.2009 9:48 pm

Dustin_Calgary wrote:Don't worry, the road to Japanese takes many years, it's about taking continuous small steps.
Imagine how fun Kanji will be ;) hey only 1945 general use kanji so you'll be ok


Wouldn't call it 1945 general use kanji(even though they are gathered up in jouyou). There are so many kanjis in there that are not needed to know at all, however there are also several kanji outside of jouyou kanji that are very useful.
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Re: Question about Hiragana

Postby Yudan Taiteki » Mon 01.12.2009 10:42 pm

Yeah; once you get past the 800-1200 range it's no longer really relevant whether a kanji is on the Jouyou Kanji list -- there are only two types of kanji, those that appear in the reading material you're interested in, and those that don't. Your job is to find and learn the former.
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Re: Question about Hiragana

Postby furrykef » Tue 01.13.2009 6:32 am

chikara wrote:They are called ようおん (拗音) or "diphthongs".


Just to clarify: it's the きゃ, きゅ, きょ, etc. that are diphthongs. Characters like が, ぎ, ぐ, げ, ご. etc., are an entirely different thing, so they're not called ようおん.
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Re: Question about Hiragana

Postby chikara » Tue 01.13.2009 8:32 pm

furrykef wrote:Just to clarify: it's the きゃ, きゅ, きょ, etc. that are diphthongs. Characters like が, ぎ, ぐ, げ, ご. etc., are an entirely different thing, so they're not called ようおん.

Correct, I missed the reference to the dakuten characters in the OP :oops:

In addition to the youkon (diphthongs) and dakuten characters the OP also needs to learn the handakuten characters, ぱ, ぴ, ぷ, ぺ, ぽ. These also have associated diphthongs.
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Re: Question about Hiragana

Postby AJBryant » Wed 01.14.2009 2:44 pm

Yudan Taiteki wrote:Yeah; once you get past the 800-1200 range it's no longer really relevant whether a kanji is on the Jouyou Kanji list -- there are only two types of kanji, those that appear in the reading material you're interested in, and those that don't. Your job is to find and learn the former.



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