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Postby sarcastic_enigma » Sat 11.26.2005 2:56 pm

I need some help with making a sentence. the order i think goes Subject, Object, Verb. So if I wanted to say, um, i dunno, "Throw the chicken to me", the orderfor Japanese would be, " Chicken Me Throw." Or "Mendori wa watashi o nageru." ?

Can someone help me get this right?
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RE: sentence help

Postby sarcastic_enigma » Sat 11.26.2005 2:59 pm

Am I doing this all wrong?
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RE: sentence help

Postby faan-san » Sat 11.26.2005 4:03 pm

Actually...I think 'chicken' is the object in this sentance. That would make the sentance:

私はめんどりをなげる。
watashi wa mendori o nageru.

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RE: sentence help

Postby mandolin » Sat 11.26.2005 4:16 pm

I'm going to give yet another transliteration, so we can have something like a battle of the newbies.

I think that the action has to be done in the direction of the speaker, so the particle 'ni' needs to be in there somewhere.... I think it would be:

watashi niwa mendori o nageru.

We need someone to come along and give us the right answer. :)

EDIT:

Some self criticism... I think the implied subject is actually "YOU", because you (and/or someone else) is doing the throwing. [you] (subj. (implied)) chicken (indirect object) me (direct object) throw (v).

So... um...

crap. I don't know how to handle an indirect object. So.. I wanna know, too! :)
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RE: sentence help

Postby faan-san » Sat 11.26.2005 4:27 pm

I'm going to give yet another transliteration, so we can have something like a battle of the newbies.

I think that the action has to be done in the direction of the speaker, so the particle 'ni' needs to be in there somewhere.... I think it would be:

watashi niwa mendori o nageru.

We need someone to come along and give us the right answer. :)


I had concidered this, also...but the only phrase I have to model this is:

クラークさんは私にかびんをくれました。
Kuraaku-san wa watashi ni kabin o kuremashita.
Mr. Clark gave me the vase.

If you replace the words in the sample sentance with the words we need, it would look something like this:

あなたは私にめんどりをなげる。
anata wa watashi ni mandori o nageru.

So, if you omit the 'you' word (あなた anata) and the particle that goes with it, then would it just be this?:

私にめんどりをなげる。
watashi ni mandori o nageru.

<.<;; I don't know anymore. XP
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RE: sentence help

Postby sarcastic_enigma » Sat 11.26.2005 4:28 pm

lol, thank you
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RE: sentence help

Postby mandolin » Sun 11.27.2005 12:30 am

Don't thank us yet, we're not sure either of us is right. :)
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RE: sentence help

Postby Harisenbon » Sun 11.27.2005 1:29 am

Just two quick notes:

If you're telling someone to do something, you have to put it in て form, or something similar to suggest a command.

Also, more than めんどり, I would use チキン(for food) orにわとり (for the animal)

私にチキンをなげって!
私ににわとりをなげってください!

or so on.
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RE: sentence help

Postby mandolin » Sun 11.27.2005 2:04 am

Naaa.... faan-san got the closest! DING! :D
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RE: sentence help

Postby zengargoyle » Sun 11.27.2005 2:05 am

it still needs to be made into a request.
私にめんどりをなげなげてください。 polite.

or even

こっちに...
for thow it this way.
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RE: sentence help

Postby AJBryant » Sun 11.27.2005 4:05 am

Couple of points. First, CHICKEN is the direct object. It's getting the action (verb, THROW) of the subject (YOU); ME is the indirect object.

Japanese is a little loose with indirect objects -- it can go in front or behind the object, and particles mark the functions.

"Chikin wo watakushi ni nagete" or "Watakushi ni chikin wo nagete" are both fine.

(And don't forget the simple command form: "Nagerun da!")

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RE: sentence help

Postby sarcastic_enigma » Sun 11.27.2005 9:09 pm

Does the word nagete mean the same thing as nageru?
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RE: sentence help

Postby Harisenbon » Sun 11.27.2005 9:35 pm

Nagete is the command form of nageru.
In English they both (as a single word) mean throw, but the usage is different.
チキンをなげる -- I will throw the chicken
チキンをなげて -- (you) throw the chicken.
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RE: sentence help

Postby sarcastic_enigma » Sun 11.27.2005 10:16 pm

Ok, thank you.
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