Cocoさん、 i'l try to write in Japanese. But, i'l also put the english in. If i make any horrible errors in my japanese that are going to cause more confusion, please everyone, help me correct them!! よろしくお願いします！！ I also can't write with the proper respect levels yet, so if i make mistakes with that, i'm really not meaning to be rude! ：）
coco wrote:According to your explanation, you and magamo-san had a conversation about the high quality of NileCat'-san's responses which were posted here. I interpreted it as meaning that you were impressed by NileCat-san's posts, even though it was Textbookish Japanese.
If so, since you say you hope that NileCatsan doesn't always give Textbookish examples, could you please tell me which parts made you feel "Textbookish"?
The truth is, generally i don't read this forum in depth. And my Japanese level isn't so high! So it wouldn't be possible for me to make that kind of comment. Therefore, whether NileCat makes textbookish sentences or not, i definately don't know.
"NileCat's Japanese is textbookish" wasn't what i meant. It was more like, "If NileCat does always use textbookish Japanese, i'd be a little disappointed."
But, we were praising NileCats posts. Even someone like me can clearly see that he gives top class explanations. We were talking about Japanese people's explanations. Explaining your own language is incredibly difficult i think. People who can really explain it well are rare. NileCat san is one of those people. Definately, he deserves respect.
I felt this was 教科書的な日本語.
Most adult Japanese don't speak like this, however, I don't think this kind of examples does a disservice to non-native speakers. I think this is a necessary step to learn languages for most people.
coco wrote:Does this apply to your textbookish example?
hmm, people studying japanese are of different levels so, correspondingly different styles of explanations are necessary i think.
But, generally, there aren't many Japanese people who visit these kinds of forums i think. To people who are teaching themselves, it's how to speak naturally that is the hardest thing i think.
For instance, "what kind of contexts would you use this in?" or "why is this expression used here?" or "if i say it like that, is it boring / rude / funny?". that kind of thing. A japanese person's natural answers and explanations of nuances is invaluable!!
Moreover, i think that the idea that "language is for conveying information" is a totally mistaken view. It's not only for conveying information, but to express your personality, feelings, and sense of humour.
Why is learning expressions that aren't what Japanese adults would say better? Even if you take the time to learn it, its not something you want to use. In the end, natural sentences, unnatural sentences, children's expressions, adult's expressions, and textbook sentences, all need to be understood. But, why textbook sentences first?
I also look at textbooks sometimes, but to tell the truth, they're boring. Idiomatic and natural sentences are so precious in comparison, i think. Each and every individual sentence i learn feels like eating a sweet.
In my sentences theres tons of grammar errors. I also don't think i get my character across very well yet either. But, i'l do something about it! If i keep studying sentences one by one, its ok to slowly progress, isnt it?
That took me a few hours, so i'l have to finish in English, sorry!
"Obsession", "addiction", and words like that are used in english in a non literal way quite often. They're just used to express "did something a lot" in a more interesting and slightly funny way. It gives the sentence a more friendly tone than the more flat version of "i thought about video games a lot". But, you wouldn't say that if you were trying to be really polite.
Mike Cash: i totally disagree. I think it's far more often the fact that people don't get into studying real japanese, with the kind of things they really want to express that makes people burn out. It has nothing to do with wanting to "one-up" anyone. There's no reason you can't learn interesting sentences!! Why shouldn't you skip reading that textbook?? Nobody is forcing you!. i HATE being bored!! Don't you?
NileCat: haha. That Audrey Hepburn & James Bond thing is great!! I am definately going to do that in future.
Also, it makes me happy to be thought of like Audrey Hepburn ：D